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I decided to pursue a career change by going into the commercial trucking industry. I saw an ad in the local newspaper for Central Refrigerated Service which offer me an opportunity to train for my CDL and would give me a job as a truck driver. It sounded like a great opportunity a one stop chance to get my CDL and get a job.

The Company sent me a ticket to go to Texas (this is where their training facility was located) Upon arriving I realized that there were many trainees and not enough trainers. There were approximately 25 students between two trainers. There was 3 different levels of training amongst the 25 students some were studying for the written test, some were studying for the road test and some students were there to retest for the road test.

Trainers were stretch to the limit of teaching all the students on all these different levels you need to get your CDL class A license. The problem with this is that over 70% of the students were failing and retaking the Motor Vehicle exams over and over which entailed rolling over into the training of the new arrivals. Luckily I did a lot of studying and practicing on my own and with other students and I was able to past my written and road test the first time. All students practiced their road test on a 9 speed tractor pattern as well as take their road test exam.

After passing my exams and receiving my Class A license I was sent back to Conley, Georgia (my home base) for my 3 day orientation. After passing my orientation, I was assigned to a trainer for over the road tractor trailer training for 28 days. My trainer's tractor was W9 Kenworth with a 9 speed pattern. He was a very nice and patient man and taught me everything he knew about over the road trucking. For the entire 28 days I was trained on the 9 speed pattern.

On my 25th day we were in Iowa, I was suppose to head back towards Conley, GA for a my driver's upgrade (which mean I would receive my own tractor) and go solo over the road. But instead of heading back the Company sent me and my trainer back to the west coast region and on my 26th day my trainer was instructed to drop me off in Salt Lake City, Utah for my upgrade. On the 27th day my trainer dropped me off in Utah for the upgrade that would take place the next morning. My trainer gave me an excellent evaluation for my performance in his tractor.

On the 28th day, I started the upgrade by taking test on the computer after passing all my computer test I was ready for the road test on the tractor. My upgrade examiner took me to a tractor for my test to my surprise it was a 10 speed pattern tractor. Out of my 49 days with Central Refrigerated I have never trained nor driven a 10 speed. So I asked my upgrade examiner did they have any 9 speeds that I could take the test on and he said 'No, you should know the 10 speed pattern' and also told me that 'The Company is getting rid of all their 9 speeds and that they were obsolete.' Again, I stressed to him that I have never driven or been in a 10 speed and that I would need a few hours to familiarize myself with this pattern. He told me 'No, take the test' Well it would be no surprise to let you know that I failed this test. By not knowing the new pattern, I grinded the gears.

I went back to the office and they informed me that I had failed my upgrade. When I pleaded with them to give me a chance to practice on the 10 speed pattern. They said 'We don't do that.' This was Friday afternoon and they said I will be retested Monday morning on the same truck. I asked them to let me practice over the weekend on the truck by myself. But they refused and told me that I would have to find a owner operator, if I can and maybe they would show me the 10 speed pattern. I was not allowed to ask a trainer, a student or any employee of Central Refrigerated to help me. Unless it was an owner operator.

By Monday morning I was unable to get anyone to help me with this new pattern. On October 20, 2008 after 49 days with Central Refrigerated, I felt it was a 'No Win' situation and I had no choice but to leave the training facility.

To say the least, I was disappointed with the Company. I believed that with all I had went through with the training in Texas and being able to pass all my test the first time I took them and to get such and excellent review from my over the road trainer that after the 49th day Central was unable to give me 3 hours to practice on the 10 speed pattern.

Being persistent and determine to become truck driver, I decided to go to an independent trucking school to get my Diploma and most of all learn the 10 speed pattern. I paid $2, 560 for this training. Most of the time I sat around because I had already received my Class A license. When it was time for the Driving training I spent 3 hours in a 10 speed and maxed it. My trainer asked me what I was doing here he said you are an excellent driver. I graduated on December 18, 2008 with a 97% average.

Now this is the kicker, I applied for a trucking job and the Company pre-approved me to work for them and then I found out that Central put on my DAC report that I was terminated from training and the Company told me that they couldn't hire me, because I was terminated from training. Which was not true I left them. I never worked for them . I was never upgraded as a company driver.

Now Central wants to charge me $2, 900 for training. Training that never produce me the career that I wanted and wasted 49 days of my life and time with my wife and 5 year old son.

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Alvin L Arnold, MSgt, USAF (Ret.)
Ogden, US
Dec 18, 2010 6:18 pm EST

I totally agree with Alvin that he was in a hostile work environment, I personally have never been so embarrassed and intimated in my whole career, ever! These people could careless about you and your families especially not telling you some things until they get there hundred bucks. I have worked for the IRS for six years and substituted for the school district on a lot of occassions and never have had any problems... This place is scandalous and condones a hostile work environment to a T.. with threats and intimidation that if you don't write down everything on your background we will find it and fire you on the spot... They treated Louis w/o respect him being a RET VET to question his military background like he was lying was horrible... Anita Barfuss Arnold
(P.s. i would not ever recommend this trucking co. to anyone interested in getting a good school and training... They do not provide enough trainers and the teachers suck.

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Alvin L Arnold, MSgt, USAF (Ret.)
Ogden, US
Dec 17, 2010 6:39 am EST

Central Refrigeration — Hostile Work Environment

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Alvin L Arnold, MSgt, USAF (Ret.)
Ogden, US
Dec 17, 2010 5:49 am EST

"Wow" to all of the complaints noted here. I now hold the honor of being the latest deleted from Central
Refrigeration trainee Class #296. 16 December 2010 at 3:00 PM I criteria'd out with three errors in two days. (To be explained)

My experience within this organization is almost laughable if it wasn't so insulting.

To describe the experience which was endured I have to go to the moment where it all started... on Day 1 Monday 6 December 2010. (I participated with Central Refrigeration a total of 10 days) My sweetheart "Anita" and I noticed an advertisement on the back of a Central Refrigeration trailer on a vacation to Utah from Colorado Springs, Colorado. My sweetie has family in Tremonton and Ogden. I fell in love with Utah, and desired to relocate to this beautiful State.

One Day 1; endured Central's worker physical stress test; picking up weighted boxes, walking around cones with said weighted boxes, and picking up 75lbs and placing it up high. Every student was required to fill out documentation, and provide a history of earlier involvement regarding drug usage (I am a good boy in that area of life - don't smoke or drink either), and law enforcement involvement; my past injustice was a momentary arrest for arguing with an ex mother in law in 1980, and an infraction with Colorado Springs, Colorado's Code enforcement regarding "Dog's on the loose." I haven't had a speeding ticket in over 5 years. Dear God, I am really a boring guy, and this event shows how boring my life has become since leaving the Space Command in the US Air Force as a college educated Master Sergeant in December 2000.

They had each individual in the group (over 35 of us) pay up $100 after filling out our paperwork. In my case the paperwork was never collected after the "Law Enforcement Review." I will get back to this event in a moment because it is very revealing to my claim of "Hostile Work Environment." They had my sweetie "Anita" drop out for an event she was honest about in regards to over 2 years and 10 months earlier; an argument between a neighbor in Arizona that resulted in "Domestic Disturbance." Anita is a saint, and just as boring as I; a Walmart greeter with the warmest wonderful personality that brightens up any room she walks into or any hallway she walks out of. We intended to be Owner Operators for Central. This remains a dream for the two of us; to obtain our CDL, and to see the country while working the long grueling hours without complaint.

Day 1 continued I continue through the hoops and hurdles that has deleted several of the class which is now reduced to approximately 22 total. We would lose more classmates as the days progressed beyond day 5; lacking
documentation, no Social Security card, immigration issues, and other company concerns. I ultimately faced
"Security" to hear they washed out Anita for a matter that would fall off their 3 year criteria in 2 months. I was
told I was "clean" and capable of remaining in the program.

"Rick the Recruiter" stated that Anita was out her $100, and thanks for trying. My explanation that we financed the trip to Utah with no support from Central fell on deaf ears, and he encouraged me to stay and complete my CDL training.

Anita and I received room # 121 a "Couple's suite." No one stated Anita had to vacate the premises, and she spent
her time watching movies, and playing on the Wi-fi Internet in the room while I attended class room training during "week 1." "Karen the Store Clerk" was aware that Anita and I remained in room #121. This was never hidden from my surviving classmates, nor denied on my part, or evaded in any form. We claim ourselves as a couple, and "Married." Colorado Law allows for this claim as a Common Law condition. We intend on finalizing this process within Utah and it's statutes in front of our family members, and our church. I will be back to this matter in a moment as furthering my "Hostile Work Environment" position.

Day 2 Tuesday 7 December 2010 - Pear Harbor Day - "A Day of Infamy".
Survived the DOT physical, and everything from the day prior. The cough test was conducted for hernia check, and my right nut was in pain! The attending DOT doctor grabbed it, and it throbbed for three days!

We are in the classroom, received our training book, and watched training videos.

"Ron - the Type A Personality Police Officer and animal wildlife murderer." Before I begin to slam on poor mentally insecure Ron I must say that I admire hunters and have participated in hunting myself. However; I didn't feel it necessary to record my hunting skills in large photo form and mount such an effort on my desk for all to see. One could analyze such behavior as "needy." This means something is seriously missing in Ron's life. He was a prior police officer, and when I heard the word "prior" I instantly perked up. Anytime someone states "prior" it means something occurred to cause a change; as in, "he is no longer a police officer." Was he fired? What was he fired for? Was he let go for his dominant controlling of others personality? Possibly in this instance.

Mid morning on Day 2 (Tuesday December ) I was called into "Ron - Type A personality Police Officer Animal wildlife Murderer's" open cubicle office. He was clearly unworthy of a private office, and had to endure the honor of handling truck driver piss bottles several times a day as a duty. He played the game of "I am more important than you" by stating a fact - and then demanding an answer to the fact. On day 1 someone clearly didn't obtain my filled in paperwork which I retained till the next day. Ron stated; "You will not last in the truck driver world, because you cannot follow direction. You were directed to turn in your paperwork yesterday by Mendy, and you did not do so."

First thing's first; the only thing I heard from Mendy "The $100 cash collector" was that I was required to pay the $100 to be considered for employment by Central. Failure to pay the $100 would terminate any possibility of training, or consideration of hire. I paid $200 for Anita and myself to Mendy "The $100 cash collector." Central as an organization obtained $200 from me. I didn't get kissed, but I most certainly was fondled and had a very sore throbbing right nut to show for it.

I learned a long time ago how to defang class A personality idiots; let them blow off their steam, and smile. Yes!
Smile at them because it states clearly to them that they are idiots, and their seeing that smile annoys them to no end. As a police officer this type of class A idiot could abuse people daily for the abuse he took as a child; a
lacking father figure, and his being beat up daily by the meaner Class A idiots in his high school. So I smiled,
and I asked him directly about his animal murdering prowess. He instantly forgot the session because he knew I knew he was a type A Class idiot which had to brag about how much his elk weighed and the horns on it's head. The fact that Mendy never uttered a word directly to me was forgotten, but Ron knew that I knew he was a beat up child which had to validate himself by becoming a police officer, and he clearly became a prior one. My smile was too obvious to such a bully.

Ron thumbed over my paperwork and was clearly annoyed that he could not find an error. It was written on his face that he wanted to find such error, and it may have been my overly filled urine sample (I went over the line drawn on the bottle by "Ron" and my not following his expressed directions surely pegged me as "Unwilling" in the performance model affecting controlling Class A @ssholes. He stated; "We will be checking into everything you documented on these forms." These are the words uttered by someone contributing to a "Hostile Work Environment."

This would not be the only run in with "Ron." He would glare at me in the dinning facility; staring at me (perhaps I reminded him of someone in his childhood that beat him up, or someone that fired him), and once attempted to play the game of "Bull in the China Shop" while walking in the entry doorway to the building One dining facility. (On a positive note: Fernando get's many prop's for his effort at feeding some great grub and it has an affect on the growing girth of "Rick the Recruiter" so it must be good. I really enjoyed the food too! Fernando is a great guy and deserving of the favorable Kudo's - unfortunately mentioned here) Ron walked towards me, and I refused to give up my space. He was clearly annoyed that he had to walk around me and not through me. Yes... I smiled at him. I also uttered the words class A idiots hate to hear; "thank you."

Day 3 and 4 (Wednesday 8 December 2010, and Thursday 9 December 2010) was classroom discussion regarding the 18 wheel truck; it's parts, and information required to passing the DOT written test. Possible Test questions on the DOT test were discussed and shared by the instructor I will refer to as "Mr. Jovial the 2 million mile man." Every student was his "Favorite Student." "Mr Jovial" would be the final decider on my fired fate, and "Rick The Recruiter" deferred to his decision capacity. "Mr. Jovial clearly holds the hats of instructor and Human Resources all in one.

Day 5 - Friday 10 December 2010
The class took a bus ride to the Salt Lake City DMV. My efforts at studying the material resulted in scoring a
"tie" for 3rd place highest test score out of the entire class #296. A fellow student would be bitten by a recluse
spider hiding in his building 2 dorm room - the one he would have to share with three other "smoker" students. He would be denied medical coverage for his spider bite even though it happened on Central Refrigeration property.

In 5 days time I now hold a DOT physical card and a temporary CDL.

"Rick the Recruiter" called me into his office; he wanted my last three years of employment, and requested
admittance of any unemployment benefits being received; I immediately pondered if they were pursuing additional funding from the US Government for calling us "Hires." Receiving payment for creating a non existent job. I will be following up on this feeling, and reporting it to those involved in government oversight. I rarely get a tingle such as that moment without something being amiss; simply call it Senior NCO sensory capability and capacity. When we feel it... we act upon it... and we follow up on it. I was made to feel violated, and questioned as if I was a liar. Why was this imposed upon me? Perhaps this organization is filled with liars, thieves, and is a racket scam?

Day 6 - Saturday (11 December 2010)
Practiced backing, and drove the 18 wheel truck for the 1st time with a 9 speed transmission. I did fairly well for not driving a truck since my Mobile TAC's Forward Air Control Post (FACP) days of Myrtle Beach, S. Carolina with the 73rd FACP ground radar group of the 557th Wing. I shifted fairly well, and kept the tractor and trailer within the lines. I was learning backing but was nowhere near being an expert on Day 1 having driven the black rig two times in the yard with two instructors.

Day 7 - Sunday (12 December 2010) Finally a day off! I was exhausted mentally and after a week of hostility in an environment that clearly was designed to bring them in and spit them out like a meat grinder I needed to rejuvenate spiritually and emotionally. My wife's hopes were shattered by this company; she showed integrity and honesty, only to be punished and denied advancement for doing so. I was looked upon as a liar who touted his military service with no proof other than my word, and they refused to believe anything uttered without seeking such proof from references requested on Friday.

I am a Mormon son. I am proud of this fact, and I have openly revealed it to my classmates. I stated to them that I am an imperfect Christian with faults, and must continuously adjust myself towards betterment. I called each one of them as my brother, and stated that I embraced each as a "friend." I am not a liar. I have integrity that I will fall on a sword to protect. I promised "Rick the Recruiter" that I would bring the requested documentation filled out in full along with my DD Form 214, and 1099's from the US Government.

Day 8 - Monday 13 December 2010
Afternoon of 13 December resulted in dock training and coupling sign off. I was able to practice offset backing
once.
Finished up the matter of my military retirement with "Rick the Recruiter" An obese yet very friendly smiling
recruitment officer with fangs who was totally clueless in regards to prior military member service and the
documentation that proves such matters. I believe the guy to be mentally inept and without memory. He clearly didn't remember me from 3 days earlier. I brought my dd-Form 214, my military retirement ID, and 1099's. It was as if nothing could prove my retiree status to him. He refused to accept it. I had to explain it in baby steps; I asked him if someone who was retired could somehow be un-retired, and smiled afterward. Clearly his IQ level isn't in the upper 140's, and the ding dong's, twinkie's, and sweet grub had done it's toll on other areas of "Rick the Recruiter" other than his large gutt. His engaging with me as if I was a liar is furthermore a position of "Hostile Work Environment." I believe no one should be forced to work with idiots like "Rick the Recruiter."

Day 9 - Tuesday 14 December 2010
The first part of the day involved driving in the Industrial Park; Eddie Rickenbacker Rd, Jimmy Doolittle Drive, and Neil Armstrong Street will be etched in memory as I practiced left and right hand turns over the shoulder,
learning how to properly and improperly drag a trailer behind the tractor. Mirrors, mirrors, and more mirrors!

Vehicle tracking was pounded into me, as was properly revving it up to downshift after slowing down. The Instructor "Jim" will be remembered; he too was involved in drag racing, as a participant from New Jersey in the 1960's with Big block Chevy's. Clearly a good guy, but seriously he should give up his golf game and get back into drag racing. You only live once, and chasing a little white ball with a club is not as fun as running a 10 second quarter mile.

Day 10 - Wednesday 15 December 2010
The first part of the day involved inner city driving. Covered more cornering, and highway efforts.
The afternoon consisted of my getting to practice offset backing, and alley docking a total of "twice." I tested on
the pre-inspection twice, and blew it; two times. The first failure was chocking the tractor prior to performing
the ALE test. Second failure was not pushing in the Tractor and Emergency buttons and engaging the brakes. These errors are critical, and the training in Cab was little, and I was exhausted. I was on 4 hours sleep. Excuses
being what they are; in the REAL WORLD I should not have been inside a truck let alone driving it.

Day 11 - Thursday 16 December 2010
The first part of the day was driving in "Park City." I received the long trip home, and the steepest part of the
drive. It was fun and enjoyable.

Lunch was interesting. I observed Ron look at me, and utter to the CEO of Training that I was not married, and that I lied. It was uttered loud enough in my presence to make me notice. He made it obvious he was discussing me. The blonde haired older gentleman "CEO of Training" asked Ron, "Are you going to arrest him?" and he chuckled. Shortly afterwards "Jim" stated to me;"You need to see Karen after lunch." Colorado allows for Common Law marriage and Ron's opinion doesn't mean much when I am the one paying shared bills since February of this year. I ignored him, and read a newspaper while eating. The USA Today on page 13A had a far more interesting topic than Ron's obsession with me; Big City Nuke Attack 'a survivable event.' Having worked in Space Command I found the article interesting in that they are touting a 10 Kiloton weapon that would engulf 150, 000 people as "Survivable." The world has gone nuts has it not? Everyone is losing their jobs, their homes, and it will be an Obama Christmas.

I finished my Grilled Chicken Salad and went to see "Karen - the Store Clerk." The question was "Is Anita still
with you? Didn't she get out of training on Day 1? She was supposed to leave the premises after being failed out."
I explained that no such demand was uttered to Anita or myself, and that we had been living openly in room #121, and was now residing in the "Econolodge." I asked the question; What possibilities are offered in this instance? Especially for a couple that financed the entire efforts themselves with no assistance forthcoming from Central? She then referred me to "Matt." Karen was playing the role of information gatherer. "Matt" would have to wait because I had a responsibility to be on the practice lot at 1 pm. I learned such ploys and game playing by some of "the best" in the USAF - the game of "You need to be here" when a prior order was placed upon you. This is a Hostile Work Environment, and the game playing was evidence of it. "Karen - The Store Clerk" was such evidence, as was Ron's loud mouth during lunch.

In the afternoon I passed my pre-inspection with 47 out of 50.
I then took the backing test with offset backing included. I had an issue with getting the truck to line up inside
the box. That was criteria fail 3.

I paid to get myself and Anita to Central's school in West Valley City, Utah. It was on my dime. Each time I
failed a criteria item there was no effort to look at the company training efforts. I came to this school to gain
an education, and to learn how to drive an 18 wheel truck as a career. The training I received is questionable. I
did not know that I would face a "Training" environment that fosters failure. I would believe the organization
would seek someone such as myself and Anita to be part of their growing organization. I can see such a thought is as crazy as the USA Today touting a nuclear device killing 150, 000 people as survivable. How can an organization like Central Refrigeration survive with such a backed position?

After I criteria'd out a 3rd time the instructor who is a smaller version of Buddha stated to me; "Louie you are a
good guy but that is your third error. You are out of the program. You are going home. You must go see your
recruiter." It was as if it was expected and desired; a program of failure, few Instructors, few training trucks,
and very little training time.

I sought out "Rick the Recruiter" and explained my position. He clearly had his hands tied, and he promised he
would rip up the contract regarding my failure in training. So Who really failed whom? It wasn't my unwillingness that determined this outcome. I expressed nothing but "willingness."

As I walked down the hall leaving the classroom area of the building TWO second floor who other than "Ron - the Type A Personality Police Officer and animal wildlife murderer" would be in the hallway. As I walked by him he uttered the words; "Go home." I responded with a pursed lips a "kiss" in response and kept on walking. Someone else will surely deal with Ron and his lacking self esteem personality disorder; my days of punching out idiots are over unless being forced to have to do it. A younger student with excessive amounts of testosterone, or a truck driver with less mental capacity which he ruins will deal with him in the unknown probably not too distant future. This written effort will outlast any commentary he uttered at me, discussed behind my back,
or plotted in front of his dead animal portraits. I suspect the owner of the company may delete him after reading
this; as nobody in the company seems to be secure in any position within the company with such a high turn over rate.

If Central wants a real training program perhaps they can hire the one who assisted in building such a program from scratch at Cape Canaveral, Florida, or who ran a training shop at Nellis AFB for "Red Flag." They would have far less spelling errors on their training documentation and review slides doing so. They would have a program that saves their training dollars instead of just tossing them away.

To add insult to injury, "Karen the Store Clerk" contacted the "Econolodge" to lock me out of my room. Check out
for the Econolodge was 11 Am. I didn't get exited until after 3:00 pm, and dd not leave the Central Training
Facility until 5 pm. This is breech of Contract, and "Hostile Work Environment." I will be seeking legal
representation on this matter. It isn't over. If you are a lawyer in Utah and desire such a case please contact me
with the email address provided below.

Signed,

Alvin L. Arnold; MSgt, USAF (Ret.)
ElCentroCABoy@Yahoo.com Future Students and/or work conflict lawyers please Feel free to contact me. A "Hostile Work Environment" was experienced on my end, as was a total lack of professionalism on the part of Central Refrigeration.

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truckerwife1288
Corona, US
Dec 07, 2010 3:57 am EST

My husband has been working with them and is now a l/o. he has changed dispatchers a few times, one was fired and the other two were not getting him loads or ignoring his requests. his dispatcher now he has only been with a week and he has gotten my husband almost double the miles his previous dispatcher was. his class started with 25 students 3 instructors, ended with 9 students, one of which didn't make it through otr because he got in an accident. his otr training went smooth until the end when his trainer's truck broke down (which central paid for the rpair as well as their time in the hotel). unfortunately his trainer's truck wasn't fixed in time so they sent my husband to conley, georgia (they bought his bus ticket as it was a 13 hour ride there). once he got there they set him up with a new trainer the next day for his last few hundred miles. he had no problems upgrading, or in general with the company. they have handled all the recalls on his truck so far and he has yet to pay anything out of pocket aside from fuel and the lease payment. they are paying his school now that he is a l/o or else he would be paying that back until summer.

Everyone has different experiences with central ref. there are many that have had a good experience and many that have had a terrible experience. you just need to take it with a grain of salt and if you want to take your chance with them go for it, if you want to just listen to the negativity then be my guest as I cannot tell you what to do or not do.

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Messing w/peoples lives
Placerville, US
Nov 09, 2010 9:18 pm EST

I just got let go from Central for bonehead mistakes..The thing is I called and told on myself- nobody else was involved- of course they have nothing to lose and your future means nothing to them - if you are terminated they send you to collections and you owe all of the training back and they bash your DAC so you can't even get another job driving- They are thieves and the whole training agreement is a farce- You are misled from the beginning, as to what they will provide you with and how the company works and half of the stuff you do you don't get paid for. I filed a complaint with the labor morn this morning. And yes the nepitsm at that company is crazy..

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GitxsanDriver
Carthage, US
Nov 03, 2010 10:25 am EDT

I have driven truck for 18 years over the road and local. Everyone will have a complaint about any trucking company out there. First and foremost, I have always found that attitude is the biggest problem with a lot of drivers. So many think they are going to get in, make tons of money and be home daily. That is not true for any company. You have to work hard, many hours, and a lot of time away from home.

Life on the road is tough, and take a lot out of you. Not everyone is cut out to be a truck driver. Just like me driving for 18 years and knowing all i know about trucking (not saying i know everything) I am not cut out to be a dispatcher. It is a whole different game. You will have to learn what you want, research the company you want to drive for, and get on with a company that offers you exactly what you want. It is not talking to the driver recruiters, they are sales people and get paid for each person they bring in. It is talking to the drivers themselves.

You will have drivers that hate the company and talk crap about them, and put them down. You will find drivers that have been there for years, loves driving for them, and has a great career with them. It is feeling out who the liars are, and finding what you truly want.

Do not drive over the road if you do not want to be away from home. If you want to drive and be home on a regular basis, find a local small company that works for dedicated shippers and recievers. Most of them will have decidated routes, and get drivers home on a regular basis.

Always check your attitude at the door, cause a lot of people working for trucking companies know that drivers are a dime a dozen. They can be replaced. So if you have a bad attitude it is easy for them to let you go and get another person to come in and train that will not give them the attitude.

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WHISTLER 2
Red Lodge, US
Nov 02, 2010 7:09 am EDT

Sad that it is always the little guy, the conscientious obliging faithful employee that
Repeatedly, over and over znd over gets abused and screwed by management and
Swivelbuts that couldn't do the job of any one of their otr employees if their very
Lives depended on it... and can any one tell me what happened to the web site
That went by some such thing as "compare trucking schools" that specifically
Charged central refrigerated"s driver training activities as"a ten year scam between
Their recruiting and training departments" (direct quote)?

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mindy829
Columbia, US
Sep 27, 2010 9:35 pm EDT

My husband is there right now, or he was. He failed the DOT for Blood pressure which he has NEVER had a problem with 12 other people that day were kicked out for various reasons. They made him pay 100 dollars up front did the DOT then said sorry you have an hour to pack your bags. He didnt have enough money to get home. I had to call every realitve I have ever met to help us get him home. Now in 36hrs he will be home. How in the world can you tell people to bring 300 dollars get them there 2 days early to where they HAVE to buy food. Take 100 of it and say alright well your 1200+ miles from home, start huffing it! I am appalled and plan to take action!

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comba65
Madera, US
Aug 23, 2010 9:22 am EDT

jzt got bck from centrals training.i dropped tha course because they only give u 2 hrs of drive time, 1 in a industrial are with little r no traffic an 1 on city streets an freeway, its an excelerated program.i didnt feel safe with only 2 hrs on tha road so i dropped it.tha people who work there are proberly the best you can get, the instuctors r awesome they help u alot.i wanna say thankxs to central for the experince.if you want a good program to go to with excellent instructors go to central training in fontana, ca.only road time is my complaint.its a make r break program literalli.any questions r want to knw anything about the school let me knw ill tell u straight up

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comba65
Madera, US
Aug 06, 2010 7:31 pm EDT

cool thnkxz for the headsup..any1 that has been through centrals training can give me an insight on it.i went through bootcamp so it cant get badder than that.i tlkd to alot of recuiters and centrals seems like the best one out there.im not to worried bout hometime im all bout the money, my wife understands and has dealt with this before with my deployment.i hope i get a cool [censored] roomate.

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SeattleLion
Renton, US
Aug 06, 2010 4:37 pm EDT
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All you have to do is pay attention to the road trainer when you finally are out of school and get into the truck with him. You will learn by trial and error and there is no getting out of that at all. I went to Bates Technical College years ago for Long Haul Trucking and it was a 5 month course. it took me about 40 hours of driving before I was any good at shifting. You keep getting better all the time; but once you start getting tired, you will miss some gears. My brother has been a trucker for 20 years and he says he still misses and grinds the gears when he gets tired and says that is when it's time to pull over and take a break. Get some sleep too if you can.

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comba65
Madera, US
Aug 06, 2010 4:15 pm EDT

im heading out on sun to fontana, ca for centrals training.i already have my permit with endorsements, so wat should i expect when i get there.i dont knw how to drive a manuel all military vics r auto so u think they will fail me.

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SeattleLion
Renton, US
Aug 05, 2010 11:26 pm EDT
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If you want to see Swift Transportation's pay scale here it is. It ROCKS

http://swift.drivers-central.com/swift-transportation/driver-pay.cfm

There are no perfect Trucking Companies. The world has turned to [censor] when it comes to any job; but if you want into trucking, Swift is a good hit no matter how many complaints they have.

You have to also realize that there are a lot of stories that are told that are leaving out the whole story because that is how people are when they get upset. They won't tell the whole truth of the matter to why they say they got screwed.

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SeattleLion
Renton, US
Aug 05, 2010 10:17 pm EDT
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Yes! Swift Trucking offers free training and their benefits are awesome and their milage pay is way higher then Central Refridgerated.

Centrals Benefits suck because you pay for them all out of your pocket for many years before they pay just a small part of it.

Here is Swift Transportation website. http://www.swifttruckingjobs.com/

Don't do Central. They are [censor]s. Go Swift

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DallasDreamer21
Dallas, US
Aug 05, 2010 9:58 pm EDT
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Also, how long is the actual training?

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DallasDreamer21
Dallas, US
Aug 05, 2010 9:57 pm EDT
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OK so can someone please tell me what Central makes you do. I'm a 21yr old african american female and I weigh 116lbs. what kind of stuff do u do, and did any of you go into this only knowing how to drive automatic? I've only driven a stick once or twice trying to learn, but I'm about to learn. I live in Texas and all these complaints about the training is weirding me out. If you guys don't recommend Central, do u know of another trucking company that offers the training?
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greenhorn
Renton, US
Jul 23, 2010 11:31 pm EDT

All you whine babies.. if you don't like it go work for mcdonald's and get out trucking.. you whine about everything.. the one's that cry because your sitting around and your dispatcher doesn't have a load for you should become a lot lizard then.. do you think these companies like having there trucks sitting in a truck stop and you not working.. they have to pay for the truck,, fuel that you use to either keep warm or cool, your medical insurance ect.. that means they have high costs with no income.. so I guarantee they do not want there trucks sitting..
and if you notice your check is short why didn't you keep a copy of your paper work so you could show them what work you have done then wait to be reimbursed on the following check..
I loved reading the one of the guy crying because he had only one more gear.. damn does he need training wheels too.. it isn't rocket science here people it is just a little common sense..in your off time quit sniffing glue so your brain works and you will find things a bit easier to deal with.. all I can say here is you all sound like a bunch of rookies who need a diaper to keep you from complaining..
just remember these companies will be in business while you are under a bridge holding a sign bagging for money.. hey there is a thought you get paid and it is tax free.. then what would you all whine about.. some [censor] just gave me free money the jerk.. get a life dumb [censor]..

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SeattleLion
Renton, US
Jul 23, 2010 11:03 pm EDT
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I have read a lot of complaining about this and about that over trivial [censor]. I can tell most of you sniveling little [censor]es don't have enough common sense to even wipe your [censor] the correct direction. seems to me most of you need to still be baby sitted like when you was age 5 with the [censor] attitudes you have. looks to me that your mommies and daddies spoiled your rotten [censor] and no matter what a company does for you or not, you cry like you been beat with a belt for 15 minutes. maybe that's the problem, you didn't get your punk [censor] beat enough as a child when you acted up and made a scene. [censor] all you cry baby losers. you people are [censor]ing [censor]ed and should be taken off to the side of the road and have a bullet shot through the back up your head to stop you from [censor]ing all the time. I bet most of you would even find a reason to [censor] if someone walked up and gave you $89.00 free. i'm sure you would say, what an [censor] mother [censor]er. only $89.00 dollars you cheap [censor] and he should have gave me $100.00 dollars the cheap [censor]. that would most likely be what you [censored]ers would say.in fact one time in my life I did give a friend $80.00 and his mother $100.00 because they needed food, etc and do you know that the son of a [censor] almost wanted to punch me because I gave his mother $100.00 and him only $80.00. you stupid [censor]tarded [censor]s should do the world a favor and go kill yourselves. you dumb [censor] [censor]ing [censor]s.

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Santa Nella, US
Jul 18, 2010 7:23 pm EDT
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What the [censor] every company out there has reviews like this if u let ur self be influenced u will never get to ur ultimate goal of having the experience or being a o/o stop being [censor]en pussies

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MILE-HIGH-FRACSTER!!!!
Denver, US
Jul 05, 2010 6:03 pm EDT

All of you are [censor]s! I spent 35 dollars to obtain my cdl and your goin to fork out tons of money to learn how to shift gears. pfffft! yall need to be smart about it. driver local before you try otr. im only 22, I have almost 5 years of experience. and you dont see me getting charged three grand from a cxompany thats gunna [censor] you in the long run. go work for oilfield serice companies. you will make better money and be home more often!

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Rabbi
Rogersville, US
Jun 26, 2010 3:03 pm EDT

central screwed me five years ago. My trainer was a pillhead from Mich. my road test was given by a bull [censored] in Salt lake who didnt like slow talkin country boys. The fired me for taking my time on the backing test. said I wasted too much time backing so slow and getting out to check my trailer position. I live in TN. central refused to provide me a way home from Saltlake so I hitch hiked from Utah to TN. in November. When my wife called to see what had happend to me they told her I quit ! Everything eventually worked out for the best, I got a job with a good company proved my ability and have been here for almost five years. CDL training is the smartest thing Ive ever done! Going to work for Central was the dumbest. Now I know why the pulled all those trailers with a SKUNK on them. Self descrip tion!

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bigrigtrucker
Atlanta, US
Jun 14, 2010 9:24 pm EDT

I worked for central ref. for a year ya a year. This was the worst year of my [censor]ing life. even know i was a solo company driver they will run you 2000 to 24000 miles a week but [censor] people lets get real i'm at a new company now and running 3400 miles a week and making more money than i did at central

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qualcalmer
West Valley City, US
Apr 28, 2010 8:15 am EDT

Wow, I've talk to many drivers at this company while in training and after. It pays to connect with positive people at this company. If you are an owner operator then you better be a trainer. Why because you will always have a load and you will have checks over 2, 000 dollars every week. Some one said above take pictures of the qualcomm and also the qualcomm it self has a request system where you can pull conversations from over 3 years ago up. My dad was a owner operator and has been driving for over 30 years. To say the least the Truck driving business has been very bad for many people. It is very unstable unless you treat it like a business. I've ran two operations from the ground up. Due to the recession I had to turn to truck driving. The classes where hard and the stress was high, yet our class tackled the thing together. Most of us past yet the true test was going to come from every day situations.

Logistics are very very hard because no one knows exactly who needs to ship what. I've ran over 3, 000 miles easy with this company yet they do have dead spots like in WY. Yet if you can get on a dedicated fleet and stay there you will be fine in most cases.

Central is not for every one. The thing about the DAC is dishearten and a attorney is maybe needed for that. Yet you have to treat it like a business. This is not a company for workers it's a company for business men. Also if you can lower your bills and save money you will always come out on top with these guys. The guys who fail at this company have high child support, high bills at home, or problems with the wife. The best way to maximize your experience at central is to find a good trainer, fire your dispatch if they are not working for you, change terminals.

Also any truck driver will tell you if you have kids or a wife this job may not be for you. If you want experience get your two years and find another job before you quit, they can not put too many bad things on your dac if you are working for some one else.

Unfortunately this is the state of America and you have to protect your self. You will not get that walmart fleet job or the postal fleet job if you let central get in the way. One mess up with those guys and you could get fired or go to jail. truck driving is serious business. It is very much like running your own business.

What is funny is the training experience I found at central was very close to what I went through in college. It was balls to the wall and you where mostly there to get a job not be taught. This is not a company that will hold your hand and if you think your some bad ### thing they will surly see how bad you really are.

I just did my taxes and I think I made over 10, 000 dollar with this company in 3 months. So i've been running great my dispatcher started getting slack and they where fired. Also if your have the balls get the driver code or the truck of these people who complain. Any one can look up their stats to see if they where telling the truth. I've done this many times. Central has over 1900 drivers I believe 1200 are o/o. I don't see many of them complaining and when they do it is usually a job duty problem meaning some one dropped the ball. Also Pro tip never mac 11 any thing you can not do. Also if you do please stress you can only take it so far until your 11 hour clock runs out then it is up to the dispatcher to do their job. People make mistakes it is up to you to make sure you are not on the receiving end of them.

If this message scared you off then good. I've witness and had to drive in the worst winter yet and still got 3, 000 miles a week from these guys and they train me so well I've survived 64 car pile ups and staying out of wrecks, staying away from tickets and dodge many drivers errors thanks to their training. If you can go to west vally terminal in UT. They will put you on the mountain and then you'll know if this really is for you. Also to shorty above DOT wants you to lift that weight and you will know why when you are in kansas and a 20mph wind hits your truck and you have to hold it steady while 4 wheelers pass you by.

Sorry for the rant but just know I don't worship these guys and I will be the first to sue if they do me wrong. When and if that does happen at least I know where to post my finding. Me and my friend at central range from 5year to 7 months at central. CSA2010 is your worst nightmare and unfortunately many companies are way worst than central the e log has been a blessing. Lieing on paper logs is a de-fecto standard in trucking. Out of almost 2, 000 drivers you would think their would be more complaints about central right?

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shorty1
Rigby, US
Apr 14, 2010 8:31 pm EDT
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I went to West Valley City, Utah for orientation. The first thing they want is $100.00 up front. Then they make yoy pick up 75 lbs over your head. I am 4'10" and weigh 115 lbs. I couldn't pick it up so they sent me home. They kept the $100.00 for nothing. They are a ### company who should be put out of business. They are the biggest chicken ### company. Shorty

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AssHauler
somewhere, US
Apr 06, 2010 6:59 pm EDT

When I worked for them back in 05-06 I could not have had a better experience. I did have an accident that really scared me into thinking of finding another career. I turned in my truck and took some time off to think about if I really wanted to continue trucking. after about a month I was called and told if I do not return within days I will be considered as I quit. I did not have a problem with that since I was thinking of doing something else anyways. I decided to return and I was told that I can not be rehired because of the accident. That was the only bad thing that I had ever had with them and that was completely my fault. I should have asked if there would be any problem with me returning.

I had a great driver trainer to this day I still keep in touch with him. My DM was also a great person and always did good by me. As the economy crashed from what I was told things went to hell. The good well paid DMs where dismissed and lesser people took there place.

I don't care what company you go work fore you will always find malcontents complaining about everything under the sun. Do your job as best as you can and don't create trouble and even in bad companies you should be able to make money.

The thing that is not good now is all of the trucking companies are trying to force everyone and there brother into leases or do team driving. If you don't want to be on the road at least 50 weeks of the year or just drive because you want to and don't need the money a lease is a bad idea.

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Death of Central
mayville, US
Mar 16, 2010 11:55 am EDT

Getman Sweeney [protected] You too can sue Central today!

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Death of Central
mayville, US
Mar 16, 2010 11:46 am EDT

Getman Sweeney is a law firm in New York, they are sueing Jerry Moyes for abuse on his drivers and I am convincing them to go after all of Moyes companies at once. Otherwise it will be futile, because he will change hats, he is a ###, all of the management in central have a real we are above the law attitude problem. They just push it to the limits, like the abuse on drivers till the DOT forces electronic logs on them. Check out Getman Sweeney if you have been screwed on a fleece. You did not get your lease reported on your credit if it gets paid off? If it goes wrong it does. Why? I did not lease I was company. Today marks the first day that Central Refrigerated ofically starts getting thier ### handed to them. Cody... I am your worst nightmare. Welcome to my playground, the legal arena.

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John Booker
Monroeville, US
Mar 08, 2010 2:56 pm EST

Wow, sad to see so many problems.I thought I had it bad when coming back to alabama in july of 2009 to get my d.l switched from temp to perm I was arrested on a warrent from 2006.Who knew!I sure didn't and to make matters worse the truck I picked up in beaumont, tx, and had already did 7 loads with was parked at the walmart in tuscaloosa, alabama where I was getting my licence issued at the trooper office up the road.Suddenly and without warning I was handcuffed and taken to county jail for three days before being taken cuffed and shakled in a tiny bus to Mobil, Alabama in the middle of the night.Stayed there in mobile county jail another three days before my 70 year old mother posted 2700 dollars bond.Court appointed attorney and 5 months later the judge ruled if I stayed out of trouble until december 2, 2010 the court would erase this from my record. This warrent was never found or noticed during my pre emploment at west valley, utah, and I did go on to get my perm cdl after being released from jail.Of course crs turned my training and towing cost (the truck was towed to birmingham)over to partners collections.That warrent was because I'm a STUPID ### who in 2006 signed a pawn shop receipt for my formen.We received 20.00 dollars to hold us over for food until payday.We pawned metal shears return cost was 24.00 I payed it, but it wasn't my formens as he said it was it was the companies we worked for.He was arrested the week of 6/6/6 for pawning or selling upwards of 10, 000-13, 000 dollars in company equipment.Warrents were issued for me and two others working for that company but we were told to go home the day our boss was arrested and I never heard from the company or law enforcement until that faitful day of 07/21/09.I lived at the same home all that time, and upto my arrest and never new nor was picked up on that warrent. All my adult life I had never broken any laws other than misders.This was of great help in court when dealing with the Judge who saw that there were no prior arrest on my sheet.I really wasn't with central long enough to get screwed, and was happy with the miles and truck I seated on right out of training.Cole thompson also made it possible for my wife to pick my things at the towing business where the truck was taken.Granted I haven't driven since this happened, but my limited experience was good with them.I hope to rehire or hopefully be retrained some where else trucking or another job type.This is our depression we're going through and many of us in this generation are going through tuff times.Keep looking up, and remember to be thankful for the good and oddly enough the bad.We're going to make it through this and be stronger on the other side.I need your prayers and will pray for all of you. GOD BLESS YOU ALL john.booker84@yahoo.com

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bigrigsteve
san antonio, US
Feb 13, 2010 3:49 pm EST

Wow. I have worked for them for nearly 5 years now...and I have zero complaints with them at all. Other than a few missed scale reimbursements, I get paid as agreed, get [protected] miles every week, and like I said, I have zero problem with them at all.

Yes, I am a real company driver...not an o/o
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COLE T. IS A FAG AND A BITCH
West Valley City, US
Feb 08, 2010 4:46 pm EST

### ###ING CENTRAL REFRIGERATED! THEY SHOULD KILL THEMSELVES THEY ARE ALL ###ING DIRT BAGS LOW LIFE PEICES OF ### KILL THEM ALL PLUS THEY ARE ALL RELATED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER I HOPE THEY ###ING DIE A OF GONNEREAH OF THEIR ###IN MOUTH DIE MOTHER ###ERS DIE ### YOU ALLLLLL ###ING CENRAL ### ### YOU ! IM OUT

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portagee
Hickman, US
Feb 06, 2010 10:12 pm EST

you guys are a bunch of cry baby's if you spent the time that you do crying about thing maybe you would be doing a better job maybe there not the problem it's you damn cry baby's you guy's call your self truckers maybe you should find a new carer where you can sit on your ###.Damn hill billy's can't do anything right

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Killertomato
Little , US
Jan 22, 2010 5:02 pm EST

My dad just sent me the phone number for this company because I am in need of a CDL job, and a recent graduate of Diesel Driving Academy, a very thorough 20 week driver training program. I can drive 9 speeds, 10 speeds, super 10's, and 13's, and I can drive them exceptionally well. This is the second company (the first being CR England) that has told me my training in an outside school is insufficient and that i'd need to go to THEIR school first. Ok, first of all, I just spent 10 grand (that's right $10, 000) for wonderful training from highly expirienced drivers and to be told that my training is insufficient (my state trooper even told me my road test was the smoothest he'd been on in years) is just completely and utterly ridiculous. Don't give in to these types of companies because they DO NOT CARE FOR YOU OR YOUR FAMILY. You are only dollar bill signs to them, and the first time you cost them any amount of money, you suddenly fail a drug test and find yourself without a job, and out whatever money you spent to train at their facility.

In short, do yourself a favor and get some quality training, or pursue a job with a company highly rated by the Better Business Bureau, and let ###s like CR England and Central Refrigeration go bankrupt.

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CUBALINK
Coachella, US
Jan 17, 2010 5:30 pm EST

### ###ing CENTRAL REFRIGERATED SERVICE... that company rip u off, ### the planers and dispatchs

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CUBALINK
Coachella, US
Jan 15, 2010 11:19 pm EST

HEY ### CENTRAL... I DRIVE FOR THEM THEY SUKKKKKK, ### THIS ###ING COMPANY.

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"CURLYTHEWISEGUY"
Dallas, US
Dec 30, 2009 2:03 pm EST

Here is Centrals 2008 gross revenues, from the internet . Look of how much monies they claimed to make and still screw the drivers out there.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/106/106123.html

BUNCH OF LOW LIFE ###!

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"CURLYTHEWISEGUY"
Dallas, US
Dec 30, 2009 12:45 pm EST

One last thing here, does any one know if BYRON up at WEST VALLEY, UTAH safety department . Did he quit and where is he working now?

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"CURLYTHEWISEGUY"
Dallas, US
Dec 30, 2009 12:41 pm EST

Now that Arrow Trucking just "SLAMMED" the doors on there own drivers, keep a good eye out for CENTRAL . Just recently I have learned that they took a penny a mile away from most of there drivers up to including the local drivers . From the base salary a week to a low $15.00 bucks an hour, only to learn if you get to your truck and sign in that quallcomm right away . Just maybe you get 30 hours a week for pay . From hearing strong rumors is that central not doing so good in the Kraft fleet . Also the "TURNOVER" rate is high . Krysten Egan will stick it so far up your ### along with the other people she works for . So good advice for any driver out there, carry a digital camera with you at all times and keep photos of any and all quallcomm messages you get that . WHY cover your ### this is to protect you when the time comes to it . Also with the new CSA2010 "RULES" is it worth getting tickets for your company you work for, "NOPE" . In the past few years CENTRAL has chased off some of the best drivers I have seen, this includes other companies out there . They just do not care about there drivers . Dispatchers SUCK, MANAGEMENT will cover there own ### to keep a $65.000 dollar year job . They will make ### comments on your DAC . And it keeps going on and on, so you as truck drivers have to fight back, write your complaints here, with the goverment agency's and so forth . Or better yet start your own complaint board .

Right now it's not easy out there, sitting waiting for your load not getting paid to wait for 1-1/2 days . But they will tell ya you have a load, well the way I see it is I'm not under the load pay me ### .

SO SPREAD THE WORD OUT THERE AND START POSTING YOUR STORIES ABOUT CENTRAL .

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gdyer89007
Pine Bluff, US
Dec 28, 2009 12:41 pm EST

Im an o/o and trainer for crs, I cant say for certain that these things happen but believe that in
some cases they do. Im sorry to hear storys like this, because this is an ever changing industry
and its about to become very difficult to persue. I urge drivers to take this to BBB or get a lawyer
if they dont nothing will change. Also go to www.csa2010.com everyone needs to be aware of the
changes taking place this next year, I wish you all luck and be safe.

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thumbs71
Omaha, US
Dec 23, 2009 12:54 pm EST

As far as frieght goes they will feed you or choke you on miles. i worked for those ### for almost 2 years. a year and a half was as a lease operator(anyone looking to lease DONT it will be the biggest mistake you ever made). when i started everything was great i had all the miles i could handle and then some. then in recent months starting about marcg my miles started to get thin. i talked to and still talk to several other drivers from there and most of the m kept running steady miles above 3000. then i called and asked what was going on and they said fright was slow which was complete BS. aster that they played games one good week three or four bad ones. the only reason i stuck with them was bc i wanted 2 yrs b4 i moved to another company. then i got into an accodent with a car it was very minor almost no damage to the car, i did all their tests and road tests and went on my way. 2 moths later a car went thru a stop sign and hit me in the drive tires. after i arrived at the terminal in conley i was told i wasnt going to be terminated just put on probation for 60 days. when i asked why bc that accident wast my fault they told me that they had already paid 11000 dollars to the driver of the car for his car and his injury. so they admitted fault for something that wasnt my fault. then the next morning i had a msg to come and speak to the terminal mgr. when i get there he told me he had to terminate me bc i had an accident with injury and they dont want anyone there with accidents with injuries. i argued with him bc this accident wasnt even my fault, but bc they paid out now it got turned into my fault. now the good part i according to central owe them over $5000 for tht lease bc i have to make payments until someone takes that truck, any damage to the truck. also the first three payments that they make for you you jave to pay for which is 2400 dollars in itself. i am having my lawyers look at everything but i advise b4 u sign a lease have a lawyer look at it they will tell u its CRAP! also my dac report has so much ### on it i cant even get another job driving. they put both accidents on there several service failures(which i was late with 1 load ever), truck abandonement, and Lease default. i didnt abandone the truck i left it at the terminal b4 i was even told i was terminated. as far as the lease default goes they sent me a letter talking like i had a choice in leaving. my advice DONT EVER WORK THERE and if your a company driver DONT BE STUPID AND SIGN THAT LEASE, YPU WILL REGRET IT EVERYDAY OF YOUR LIFE I KNOW I DO.

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hithere
Santa Monica, US
Dec 22, 2009 4:14 pm EST

should sue them, most definitely. you got all testimony from your trainers and it seems easy to win . . .