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I have been playing online (poker and casino) for well over a decade. I have had my ups and downs but always received what I thought I was paying for which was an opportunity to make money. In the days when pokerstars, full tilt, and back in the day party poker existed as USA options, I made many deposits and withdrawals without issue. I never feared my money was not "safe" and that I wouldn't be paid when I won. For the past 4 months or so I have played on Bovada. There have been many red flags that should have stopped me... only a few tables had "cash players" on them; players were identified by number and not name, etc. Also, the deposit "fees" are truly ridiculous (4.9% and then another separate conversion "fee"). I made a number of deposits over the past several months and then there are others were simply were not made by me. I noticed a pattern that whenever I increased my casino wager, I would win. Decrease the wager, then I would lose. Every session I would build up to $[protected]. I have played enough to recognize the pattern of reduce bet lose, increase bet win. This mind game continues until the winnings are blown. Well during all of this I'm waiting for a withdrawal (of less than $1000) for well over 1 month. Meanwhile I successfully make deposits with about a 10% surcharge that are approved instantaneously. What I have figured out after speaking with "customer service with Bovada" on a regular basis is that they are reading from a script, promising to call me back, promising to provide a tracking number for my check that was requested over 1 month ago (policy originally stated would take 15 days to receive payout). So now I believe that I have been a victim of fraud. Some deposits that I was charged for were in duplicate and then the others that I actually made with the belief that I would be able to cash out winnings are fraudulant as well as I have not seen my small cash out. I therefore am disputing all charges with my bank because of the above. The charges on my account say "spa services, camera purchase, retail clothing etc" none of which I ever received. The online gaming industry is a thing of the past. Do NOT play with your money unless you plan on losing. If you "win" you will never see your money. I would never dream of not paying a debt that was legitimate. However, I can't imagine that I could let over $10, 000 in my monies go to a "company" such as this that is obviously not legitimate, so readily collecting my money while failing to reimburse any "winnings". I feel totally taken and I hope Bovada joins the others being prosecuted by the USA. They are truly thieves!

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welder4hire
, US
Oct 23, 2013 11:27 pm EDT

ok, check this out. We were in a big tournament and i am short stacked with 3500. due to several river cards going to this one player. Now im wondering how this is possible? I've had bad beets before but after the final hand when I had a ace 10 suited and call the raise from the flop and go all in with a pair of 10s and ace kicker and the tens being the highest card on the flop. This same cheating idiot calls immediately my 3500 all in with a 8, 7 off suit with no possibility for a straight or flush. the only way for this bot to win is to catch two cards either two 8s or two 7s or 8, 7 to win. That is exactly what happened. The flop and river was 8, 7. Sorry but the odds are two great for that to happen consistently. Besides no legitimate player would call a all in with no possibility of winning and the odds so great to hit two cards to make the hand, against a set hand that went all in. This site is truly corrupt, and I'm thinking about taking a little trip and getting a little payback! They deserve some serious first hand attention!

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smittyjo8
Detroit Lakes, US
Sep 24, 2013 10:01 pm EDT

If this particular example of fraud does not help you to decide whether or not to give Bovada your hard earned money, at least putting it in writing again will convince me to find something better to do when I am bored. True Story: About an hour into a large tournament, I am doing well, over 20k in chips. Probably at least top 10% of all players. I am in the BB. One single bet before action comes to me. That bet is a raise to 4k. The whole time, I've been patiently awaiting to see what would happen as my cards are KK. For one player to bet in front of me is, to me, perfect. So, my turn comes, and before I can even move my physical hand, my card hand is folded for me. I quickly write down the hand number and continue on with the tournament. Afterwards, in my research, I see that the player in front of the player in front of me folds. Then the player in front of me, the SB, folds and then I fold. All 3 of these folded hands occurred in the same minute. When I wrote to Bovada, they told me that since nobody else had problems during this particular tournament, that it was my computer that "auto-folded" my hand. I explained to them that I never touched my computer and yet my hand was folded nonetheless. I have never been so angry in a card game because I could have easily doubled up to 40k+, as the other player was also at 20k+. The simple truth of the matter is that I did not fold (by mistake and obviously not by accident) and they refused to entertain the idea that either their software was corrupt or somebody playing was exercising corrupt software. I then went on a written rampage, threatening to inform every national policing authority in the United States to their scam, and that as they sit there and collect probably millions of dollars a day, one day, the fun would end abrubty for them and all of their scammed earnings would be seized and they would be brought to a tiny jail cell for the rest of their lives to think about what they had perpetrated and how easily they could have made money and still offered a fair game. After this, my bank statement did not reflect the second withdraw I made that day of $500.
They are cheaters and will not address your problem, should you run into one, with integrity.

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Bfunk78
Austin, US
Aug 16, 2013 10:51 pm EDT

Absolutely NO DOUBT about it whatsoever. Pisses me off bad man, b/c they could just do it straight and they'd still make a killing. I'm done with those [censored]es. Peace.

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Rounder101
Williston Park, US
May 04, 2013 8:13 am EDT

They are a 100% scam no question. 3 out of 15 hands I lost to 1 outers. No one chats because your playing with bots. Take my warning for what it's worth.

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Big JMan
Bullhead City, US
Mar 15, 2013 11:53 pm EDT

It is scary how many people don't realize why Bovada uses numbers and not screen names anymore. It is not to protect you, it is to protect their automated play. Most any of the "numbers" you will face in any given tournament are completely automated. If you don't believe me, then time how long it takes an opponent to make a decision. It is the same exact amount of time for every play on every hand you face against a fake player. Try communicating with an opponent you suspect of being a bot and you will never get an answer! Next try playing a few hands at low limits against the numbers you have decided are bots and see how often you win even with your high percentage hands. I personally don't know if there is any legal action that can be brought against them for cheating and taking advantage of people, especially US players who just are looking for any fair game right now but something should be done to this criminals.

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Easy Prey
Elmhurst, US
Mar 11, 2013 7:24 pm EDT

Bovada tells you they will charge you only 4.9 % for all deposits, but sometimes they do and sometimes they don't, they grab a few cents or a buck or two more than what you agree to when depositing with customer service (using Visa Debit Card.) Fortunately I noticed this on my bank statement and confronted them over the phone. I made a deposit while recording the whole thing and watched the transaction live online at my bank site. Sure enough I caught them and it was more than 4.9 %. When I got upset and told customer service that I was watching the whole process they tried to tell me they only see they took 4.9 %. I told them I suspected fraud and they immediately locked me out of my account and all the funds I had in there were frozen. Beware do NOT use this site. I am still going through hell trying to get my money.

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bovadadev
Trenton, US
Jan 26, 2013 5:10 am EST

bovada is a scam. it is for "entertainment" only as they say.. they cannot pay winnings to us players as taxes must be assessed. since they do not pay anything to players they are allowed to accept us players. i feel bad stating 3 in 6 is the computer playing. you can never win...

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chryslercc
, US
Sep 06, 2012 8:53 am EDT
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i got one for u. so i was on button, playing .50/1.. was up about $65.when i got dealt AA..ung raised 5. i just called, (i know)..flop came j72 to hearts and a spade. he raises 17. i move all in for 160. he calls with j8 spades hits runner runner spades. now come on. i have many many more. this is just the most recent