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Posted: 2011-04-12 by    Ironclad

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Complaint Rating:  64 % with 25 votes
We were set up at a show next to a guy selling bionic bands. I allowed him to do the balance and strength tests on me and they admittedly felt pretty real. However, I am from the show me state and I don't trust miracle workers. I spent quite a bit of time watching him do demonstrations. After watching a few times, I could reliably perform the same tests with the same results on people using my "Bionic Bottle of Half Drank Pepsi" that I conveniently brought along.

It seems like the trick on the strength test is that he pushes straight down while you have the band on, and down and slightly out with the band off. This leverages you off balance. For the balance test, he puts a hand on each of your arms. Band on, he counterbalances his push with the other hand very slightly. Band off, he lifts on his other hand, so no counterbalance.

PLEASE DO NOT BUY THIS!!! I am sick of watching people get scammed
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 12th of Apr, 2011 by   Ironclad +1 Votes
Additionally the whole spiel about "aligning proton spin" is unsubstantiated bull. Talk to any physicist or chemist. Protons are not free to spin on an axis, they are clustered with neutrons in the nucleus of an atom. Also a piece of metal cannot broadcast any frequency without an energy input.
 12th of Apr, 2011 by   Ironclad 0 Votes
Yeah I wish people would look up the facts before spending their money. I'm just waiting for one of the Bionic Band sales reps that have posted on other complaints to come on here and give me a physics lesson.
 17th of Apr, 2011 by   www.bionicbandonline.com 0 Votes
I have spoken with many physicists and each has said we are right on the money. They understand that the molecular level of cells can be and are altered by the electromagnetic frequency free flowing through our world, polluted by cell frequencies, radio frequencies and the like.

The Bionic Band frequency allows the body to fight off the effects of these polluting frequencies.
 17th of Apr, 2011 by   Fangio 0 Votes
Yes, youa re right EMF's change the cells.

However, that has nothing at all to do with Bionic Band, which does not use an electromagnetic frequency, note the ELECTRO prefix. It also has absolutley nothign to do with whether using the band with an "imprinted" frequency woudl haev any effect whatsoever.

Everyone knows EMF's have an effect, physicists would agree with that, so do I.

However, the physicists I have spoken to all agree that extending Einstein's work on brownian motor to contacts with non-liquids is baloney of hte highest order.
 17th of Apr, 2011 by   www.bionicbandonline.com 0 Votes
How do you know if or if not the Bionic Band has an electromagnetic frequency?? Really??? So if what you say is true, than a magnet has no electroMAGNETIC frequency???

The answer is yes, it does. It is bare ferrous metal imprinted with a magnetic frequency by use of a machine thus changing the frequency of the bare metal thus making it have a magnetic charge!!!
 19th of Apr, 2011 by   Ironclad 0 Votes
Umm... Not really. Magnets don't generate an ELECTROmagnetic frequency. They generate a magnetic field. To generate an electromagnetic frequency you need... electricity.
 19th of Apr, 2011 by   Ironclad 0 Votes
To say the least. I have no problem with people who think they work using them, but it really bothers me to see people who don't know any better being flat out lied to about these things. And its not just chump change. These things are $50-$100 for crying out loud. All for a nylon strap with a piece of supposedly imprinted metal on it.

Bionicbandsonline - what instrument can be used to measure the "frequency" these bands emit? I don't want to "feel it and know its there". I want to see it register on a dial.

Also you have failed to address the "proton spin theory." As I said before, protons don't spin. They are held tightly in the nucleus by the so called "strong force". If you don't believe me, google it.
 19th of Apr, 2011 by   www.bionicbandonline.com 0 Votes
Ironclad - First let me thank you for a honest and intellegent question.

Yes, I did miss type type the discription of a magnet which does generate a magentic field. The creation of a magnet is done by use of a electromagnetic field to tune or imprint the magnetic field into the bare ferrous metal. The "magnet" than expels the residual effects of the tuning or imprinting of the bare ferrous metal. Thank you for wanting clarification.

The frequency in the Bionic Band is so minor that is hard to measure, not unlike the natural frequencies is foods, plants, etc.

Protons do spin even though they are "held" tight within the cell. Remember that spin is "in place" like a child spinning on one foot while electrons orbit.

Here is a couple web pages I googled:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_(physics)
http://focus.aps.org/story/v12/st5

Now remember that not all things can fit into our human box of proof. Many scientific terms and beliefs are theories. I have had lots of experience with many of the products described here including Power Balance, IRnew, EFX, Mojo and loads of others with the silicone and hologram.
I would welcome anybody to visit with me and bring a friend. When I show/demonstrate the Bionic Band, I have the friends test each other. I even have a few none imprinted units that only I know which is which and have the friends test each other.
 26th of Apr, 2011 by   Fangio 0 Votes
So bionic band categorically DOES NOT have an ELECTROmagnetic frequency, just a magnetic one.

BTW, how is the sport band tuned then, silicone is non-ferrous, there is no iron in it?

The process you describe of using magnets would potentially work with ferromagnetics substances, but not silicone.

Looks like more unsubstantiated psuedoscience from our resident psuedoscientist.
 27th of Apr, 2011 by   www.bionicbandonline.com 0 Votes
First, not MAGNETIC.

Second, I used the example of tuning the metal SIMILAR to a magnet with ferrous metal to use a process many are familiar with.

You are right that the silicone does not have metal but it can receive the frequency SIMILAR to the metal, but can not hold the frequency as long, thus the silicone only being given a one year warranty on the frequency.

Fangio, you were on the science forum in June of 2010 trying to get someone to support your prejudical opinions of the Bionic Band with no results.
Since you love to quote others, here is your own statement that I quote from your very hand: "I am a scientific numpty, I was useless at school in science."
You admit that you are useless at the school of science but want to continue to belittle all others who would disagree with your opinion and call things psuedosciene. Talk about a hypocrit!!!
Here is the website address for everybodys review of Fangio's words!!! http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=25997&view=next
 27th of Apr, 2011 by   Fangio -1 Votes
Jesus, look, when posting to scientific forums it si best to come across as not knjowing anythign at all becuase then someone is more likely to showboat their knowledge, or someone may be more inclined to help. I was far from useless at science a school, college or university (British red brick).

Look at it this way, compared to hte guys at Nasa I am a numpty at cosmology, compared to you I am probably a genius. When addressing the guys at NASA I would not say I was a genius.

Now back to your other dubious claims. You now say "Firstly not MAGNETIC"

Strange because before you specifically said "How do you know if or if not the Bionic Band has an electromagnetic frequency?? Really??? So if what you say is true, than a magnet has no electroMAGNETIC frequency???

The answer is yes, it does. It is bare ferrous metal imprinted with a magnetic frequency by use of a machine thus changing the frequency of the bare metal thus making it have a magnetic charge!!!"

So which is it, is it a bare ferrous metal imprnted with a megnetic frquency? Quite clearly you felt it was necessary to tell us the metal was ferrous, which is only really relevant if you are talking about magnetics, if not it's just throwing words around to bolster your claims (i.e pretty mucht he very definition of psuedoscience).

You stll are having a problem with the ELECTRO prefix.

You are now trying to say that you were describing the process fo magnetising a ferrous metal as a process that people are familiar with. Great, an admission that you were using a known process to pretend that your own works, but with no actual science behind your own procesa t all, becuase hte principle of mangnets does not apply in any way to your own "process". It is entirely different, and as such using the buzzwords fo a known process you attemp to justify something totally unproven. The very definition of pseudoscience. Thanks for demosntration of how pseudoscience is used in marketing this product.
 27th of Apr, 2011 by   www.bionicbandonline.com 0 Votes
Fangio,

So in this forum you come across as knowing everything because you assume that these people will not be as smart here and won't (in your words) "showboat their knowledge"???

Really?? It is entirely different?? And you KNOW this how?? With you having NEVER being exposed to the Bionic Band in any shape, you are making statments without knowledge. And again you are a hypocrit by saying "others" throw around words to" bolster your claim". You are trying to tell us how the Bionic Band is and is not imprinted and you don't KNOW jack!! You haven't ever seen the machine, seen the Bionic Band or even tried the Bionic Band but profess to be the expert. And you call my science and opinion psudoscience?? Thanks for the demonstration of how psuedoscience and prejudical opinions are used to push your agenda and your "scientific numpty, I was useless at school in science" thoughts.

There is not a problem with the ELECTRO prefix. I used the anaolgy of how a magnet is imprinted with the magnetic charge, to simplify the how the Bionic Band is imprinted with the frequency. The process is similar in that the metal is subjected to a 20 hour long imprinting process, thus the ELECTRO and the residual effects STAY in the Bionic Band. Thus the LIFETIME warranty on the frequency retention in the Bionic Band.

JDH,

Your protons are already spinning, NATRUALLY. The protons are being disrupted by all of the unnatural frequencies surrouding and penetrating our bodies from the electronics in our world. When the frequency of the Bionic Band contacts the body(skin) the body accepts the frequency and reacts to that frequency. The protons continue to spin but now are spinning together without the disruption of the unnatural frequencies.
 27th of Apr, 2011 by   Fangio 0 Votes
So you agree youa re talking about a known process that works, magnetising ferrous metals, and providing absolutley no evidecne whatsoever that the completley unknown and unproven "imprinting" you claim bionic band does works. That is psuedoscience. Talk about a known process, use it's buzz words, throw in some jargon and give no evidecne whatsover. Hurrah bionic band works due to s som psuedoscience.

BTYW, any answer to the question of how our "natural" frequency was measured? What withte world being a mass of EMF's that impact upon our frequency how exactly was that calculated?

|Come to think of it how was the relative merits of each diferent frequency measured?

Then again, since you say that the frequency is difficutl ot measure, how do they do their quality control?

It's all bunkum, you clearly know this as you have not provided one shred of scientific evidenc that anyoen's protons are aligned, or that any frequency in particular is benefitical what soever, let alone that the bands hold aparticular frequency.

You just gon on about people having held it. There is no credibility to this at all, Derren Brown would probabaly be able to show you the same resutls without even trying.
 29th of Apr, 2011 by   www.bionicbandonline.com 0 Votes
Fangio,

Do ever do any research or do just spit out prejudical opinion??

Here are a few articles to hopefully open up your understanding of the world. Learn something.

"Schumann resonances are the principal background in the electromagnetic spectrum between 3 and 69 Hz, and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.83"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances

"Just as a tuning fork has natural frequencies for sound, the planet Earth has natural frequencies, called Schumann resonances, for electromagnetic radiation.
The Human Brain also has natural frequencies for electromagnetic radiation.
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/Schumann.html

Again you ask and again, I provided documentation. And you provide?? NOTHING. You believe nothing but your own prejudice.
 29th of Apr, 2011 by   Fangio 0 Votes
You read but you simply don't understand what you are reading at all do you?

I did not ask you if electromegnetic resonances occur. I did not say that there is no frequency to electromagnetic radiation. I did not even ask what the human brain's measured frequency is at the moment. So yet again you have provided documentation that answers absolutely none of the questions I posed, and by using this artilce does not answer any of the questions youa re again trying to use science as a mask to pretend that your product works. Answetring different quwstions to the one asked by posting up artilces with a load of buzzwords is just showing again that your prodcut is backed only bt pseudosciecne. There is no link between the article and answering mey questions you are just attemtpting to use science to misdirect. Very poor.

It is like me showing that government bonds give an investmetn return that is a safe investmetn thten asking you to invest in a pyramid scheme. The existence of financial gains from Governement Bonds DO NOT mean that the pyramid scheme isa good investment or brings profits or is safe. Similarly the existence fo the schumann resonance DOES NOT mena that Bionic Band have measured frequencies, have shown any benefot from particular frequencies and does nto answer any of the questions abotu how Bionic Band works. In tryingt o say it does you are quite clearly trying to mislead people.
 29th of Apr, 2011 by   www.bionicbandonline.com 0 Votes
You simple don't understand. Not everything is handed to you like a child is fed. In the real world you need to do a little work on your own.
I have produced documentation and a study showing the effects of the Bionic Band and it's effects on the body as well as explained how it works. And you want to "claim" I am misleading people but you have provided no proof that either me or Bionic Band has mislead anyone at anytime.

You have continued throughout the process to make statements like an expert and have again shown no proof of your expertise and have even admitted that you are: "I am a scientific numpty, I was useless at school in science." http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=25997&view=next

You asked: "BTYW, any answer to the question of how our "natural" frequency was measured? What withte world being a mass of EMF's that impact upon our frequency how exactly was that calculated?" and I provided a quick quoted explanation of the principles and gave you links to the webpages for addtional information, but you clearly didn't go and read the information or do any of your own research or follow up.

Fangio, go and read ALL of the information provided, including the supplied web pages rather than just the little quotes and you may get a better understanding of not only the Bionic Band but also of science and how it is applied. After you do that, you may no longer be such a scientific numpyt and no longer be useless at school in science.
 1st of May, 2011 by   Fangio 0 Votes
You have shown zero effectso nt he body. Stop luying about it. tehre were no studies that showed any effect whatsoever on the body. What don't you understand about that?

Read the sites nothing at all on there that explains any of that.

You are lying if you are saying that the pages say anythging htat shows how ht eband works at all.

Pure and simpel you are quoting htinsg that have no demonstrated link tot he Bionic Band, that is psuedoscience.
 1st of May, 2011 by   www.bionicbandonline.com 0 Votes
Fangio,

Lying?? Really?? Let’s take a look a back down at your claims and statements over the past year on several forums:

1. Here are your own statements that I quote from your very hand: "I am a scientific numpty, I was useless at school in science." "but I don't know enough about science to cite anything that shoot down the theory"
You admit that you are useless at the school of science but want to continue to belittle all others who would disagree with your opinion and call things pseudoscience. Talk about a liar and a hypocrite!!!
Here is the website address for everybody’s review of Fangio's words!!! http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=25997&view=next

2. Your statement of the lack of evidence is another of your lies. I produced to you several times on several other forums the published paper produced by Dr. Gordon Pederson on the effects of imprinted metal versus non-imprinted metal. It clearly states the double blind, placebo controlled study and the effects. Not unlike any other double blind, placebo controlled study (which my son participated in for a medication, so I have first-hand knowledge of how they are conducted. Do you?) The observers DO NOT know which is which.
http://www.partband.com/PDF/PWS_Brownian_Motor_Theory_with_test.pdf

3. Previously provided to you: Here is a clear concise definition of a white paper: "A white paper is an authoritative report or guide that helps solve a problem. White papers are used to educate readers and help people make decisions, and are often requested and used in politics, policy, business, and technical fields. In commercial use, the term has also come to refer to documents used by businesses as a marketing or sales tool. Policy makers frequently request white papers from universities or academic personnel to inform policy developments with expert opinions or relevant research."
Take notice of the word "authoritative report", Something that you continue to fail to either understand or just blatantly disregard in your deranged thoughts. While this definition does include reference to marketing and sales, it is a COMPLETE and concise definition of a white paper. Complete and concise are not any part of what you have ever brought to this discussion.
If you have any proof or “authoritative report”, please bring it forward. Do you possess any “authoritative” credentials?? If so, bring it forward. If not, you are just continuing to call names and spread prejudice and conjecture without any relevant research or knowledge.

4. You stated that the test did not: "observe mitochondira the tests says nothign about mitochondria." To which I provided the proof that the desire to see live interactions of is impossible at this stage of science as I pointed out with: "Adenosine 5′-triphosphate (ATP) is the major energy currency of cells and is involved in many cellular processes. However, there is NO METHOD FOR REAL-TIME MONITORING of ATP levels inside individual living cells." http://www.pnas.org/content/106/37/15651.short

5. BTYW, any answer to the question of how our "natural" frequency was measured?" and I provided..."Schumann resonances are the principal background in the electromagnetic spectrum between 3 and 69 Hz, and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.83"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances
Explaining how the natural frequency is measured.

You continue to say you have not been provided any proof (lie), but I continue to show that I have provided proof and substantiated it with additional supporting positions. You prove that you have no knowledge or experience but make unsubstantiated statements and opinions without any credibility.
Oh, and until you provide YOUR proof, you will continue to be a liar as I have told you previously.
 1st of May, 2011 by   Fangio 0 Votes
How many times? Dr Pedersen's "report" (AKA advertising psuedoscience) does not provide any evidence whatsoever as to whether there is a physical change or not. What is it you don't understand? It does not even attempt to measure any physical change whatsoever so it cannot demonstrate it at all. It is not in any way evidecne of physical change.

Saying that Mitochondira interaction is unobservable is interesting, but it is also why the inclusion of the mitochondira theory in the "report" (AKA advertising psuedoscience) is complete psuedoscience, there is no demonstrable link between the science quoted and the Bionic Band.

Dr PEdersen's report is neith4er authoratiative or indeed sceiocne4tific, it si a marketing tool and fits that definition of the term White papaer perfectly. He has not put it up for peer review as it woudl be laughed off as a complete and utter joke. You can provide a defifnitoon fo the words "white paper2 but Dr Pedersen's report does nto meet this definition, so say the ASA, who defined it as "inadequate". So no it is not authoratative or complete. Please stop pretending that the document has merit it is celarly a load of garbage cobbeld together to fool idiots with psuedoscientific use of buzzwords. Why don't you ask Dr PEdersen why he has not published it for peer review.

You keep on presenting things that have no link whatsoever with teh Band, and nothing at all to show the band having any direct effect at all. YOU HAVE NO PROOF, providing unlinked items is not proof that the Band works. It's psuedoscience. There is zero substantiation of it lnking to Bionic Bands whatsoever. BTW, any guesses as to why Bionic Band UK has taken it's website down, surely not because the ASA have decided that they are making claims that have zero evidence to bakc them up, despite the ASA being provided with Dr Pedersen's "report"?
 2nd of May, 2011 by   www.bionicbandonline.com 0 Votes
I, unlike you completely understand science and the limitations on science!!
Fangio,

So you say that theory is pseudoscience?? So all science which clearly uses theory (Scientific Theory) is all pseudoscience??
You keep showing you complete lack understanding of science!!! Observations is clearly used in sceinitific studies and in medicine such as depression medicines, and quite often is the only system used to judge the effectivenss. Here is a video of a medicine approved by the FDA that states the medicine is "thought to work by..." (sounds like theory)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXuMld0VwuU&feature=related. But you want to call the white paper pseudoscience and say Bionic Band has no proof.
BTW, Here is a clear definition of scientific theory that might help your understanding of science (but I doubt it): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

Dr Pederson is totally authorities by definition which you simply either can't understand or refuse to believe because of your prejudicial opinions stated over and over on this and other forums. Here is the authoritative definition of a white paper: "A white paper is an authoritative report or guide that helps solve a problem. White papers are used to educate readers and help people make decisions, and are often requested and used in politics, policy, business, and technical fields. In commercial use, the term has also come to refer to documents used by businesses as a marketing or sales tool. Policy makers frequently request white papers from universities or academic personnel to inform policy developments with expert opinions or relevant research."
As you can clearly read (if you do actually read) white papers are used to educate (which is clearly beyond your abilities)
You say I present things that have no link to the Bionic Band?? Really?? Aren't you the one that brought the Power Balance into the discussion showing you clearly don't know the difference?? You brought the IRnew which is not the Bionic Band?? And what EXACTLY have you BROUGHT?? Show this group SOMETHING you BROUGHT??? NOT ONE ARTICLE!!
You have NO SCIENITIFIC BACKGROUND but want to trash the work of others??!!!

As far as the ASA UK:
FIRST, so we are back to the ASA UK. A simple search of the ASA UK site does not show any adjudications!!!

SECOND, you just proved that you are a LOUSY LIAR!!! The Bionic Band UK site is up!!! Just cause Google a link problem, it doesn't mean that a site is down. It just proves that you are lazy, which you have proven over the last 3 months of garbage you continueto spew without any research.
Here is the webpage you lazy LIAR!! http://www.bionicbanduk.com/#

I do research and you sit on your butt do NOTHING!!!
Get your facts straight!!! You lazy LIAR!!! You have shown your true colors AGAIN!!

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