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American Income Life Complaints - Don't go through with it!

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American Income Life

Posted: 2006-08-29 by Jessica  [send email]
Don't go through with it!
Complaint Rating:  86 % with 460 votes
I too received an email from AIL claiming they got it off of Monster.com and that I had just what they were looking for and could potentially make more than $60k in my first year. Intrigued by the salary, I followed the lead further.

Luckily, I did more indepth research on AIL since their company website had minimal information. I stumbled upon this website and found over 50 statements. I was so shocked to read what others went through because I heard much of the SAME EXACT dialogue from the HR representative who I spoke to. I found it odd that he told me that I should "dress professionally" and that I should bring in "a crisp new resume." When I spoke to the HR Rep at AIL, I asked what the job title was and he would not answer that question directly. He only beat around the bush by saying we will train you to be a manager. Like so many others, I was told to plan on a 2 1/2 hour interview. They are reading off of a script!!

After reading the messages posted, I decided that I would never have anything to do with a company like this and called to cancel my interview. When I called, I could not reach the HR rep NOR could I leave a voicemail. The receptionist took down my message. I read this same scenario on another woman's posting. Fishy, huh??

My advise to others: DON'T GO THROUGH WITH IT. I'm so happy I never went through with the interview.

Jessica,
Carlsbad, California.

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American Income Life - AIL
Address: Oberlin Drive
San Diego California 92121
USA.
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 1082 days ago by Jane  [send email] +1 Votes
This is a terrible company, lead by unethical people who find it convenient to over promise and under deliver, specifically Roger Smith (CEO), Scott Smith (ExVP), and Rob Falvo (VP). I was contracted with this company for over 6 years. During the last 3 years this company contacted with over 7000 new agents. In that same period over 6900 agents terminated their contracts, most in less than 6 months, most earning less than $2000 before they paid expenses. It would be easy to dismiss these agents leaving by saying it wasn't for them. However, when virtually everyone leaves the company obviously has problems starting with the executive leadership. I have experienced these people promise new systems, new products, larger careers, essentially anything that suited their purpose at the time. None of these promises were ever realized. Everything is show and no substance, that is why the agent turnover is out of control. That is why the company is not meeting sales forecasts. No one should consider a career with these people, and certainly no investor should consider committing capital to this company.

During recruitment, candidates are told that they are "going into their own business", that they are independent contractors. Once you are involved, many agencies treat you as an employee by directing your work hours, and requiring meetings. In fact at many agencies, you are "requested" to assist in recruiting during your first month. This has been laughingly referred to at the Corporate Office as "finding your replacement".

Due to the extreme turnover, many agencies train you with agents the have been with the company only a few months. Rather than seeking a resolution to the agent turnover the corporate leadership has recently adopted a new reimbursement plan that pays manager a additional overrides for agents contracted less than 6 months, however it greatly reduces overrides on agents that last over 6 months. That is right! Mangers will earn less if you stay. It doesn't appear that the leadership is concerned with actually providing the "career" that they discuss when recruiting you. Again, over promise and under deliver.

No one should consider joining this company.
 1082 days ago by Gd  [send email] 0 Votes
what do you mean by scam??

Ail is a legitimate publicly traded fortune 500 company...

and if you work very hard the benefits are tremendous.

do i work for them? yeah i do.... am I one of the managers making tons of money ...no... but its not a job its a career and a damn good one..

is it a waste of time? hell no... do i work very very very hard for right now not much money... no but I do work very hard... probably one hundred times harder than any regular 9-5 job but after 10 years with the company i can retire!! yeah thats right retire so while the rest of you work till your 65 i'll be 40 on some tropical island

the point here is not for me to be an asss.... simply to tell everyone that a scam is something that is untrue and dishonest... and AIL is none of that...

i choose to work for this position because i know that the harder i work the more money i make and its UNLIMITED income... and they give you ALLLL the took to becoming successful and i get better and better everyday that i work for them. on average i make (average cause it is commission) 500 dollars per week.... but that does not include the monthly bonuses i get(300 min per month) the back end checks..(extra money), residual monthly renewals(its insurance they keep paying insurance then you get a percentage), overrides ( money your agency makes for you) and override bonuses(new trainee makes a bonus you get paid the same amount!) ..

don't ever feel sorry for our clients either... we provide the BEST programs to help protect families.. and you people were smart you would look into the products we offer as well... my clients are my life and I would do anything for them..


the point is don't call a company a scam when you have NO CLUE about it... none can make comments about something that they have never done...

the men and women who are in labor unions like brick layers and steel workers make TONS of money and there job sucks! they work damn hard for every dollar but thats not a scam and neither is this...

in any case i hope everyone on here becomes successful one day weather you work for AIL or any other career but just know that the only scam out there is when people close out their minds and their opportunities to rumors and hearsays
 1077 days ago by Ks  [send email] -1 Votes
GD wrote: "the point is don't call a company a scam when you have NO CLUE about it... none can make comments about something that they have never done..."

I once worked for AIL and have a pretty good clue what they're all about. Like most other people who work for the company, I only lasted a short time because there were far too many obstacles, expenses, problems put in the way of my personal success while the company profited from my hard work. AIL is a multi-level marketing (MLM) company. This type of business practice isn’t yet illegal but, in my personal opinion, it should be. For a very accurate description of how AIL and other MLM businesses operate, a great website to visit is: http://www.armydiller.com/financial-scam/index.htm. This nails it right on the head. The site mentions American Income Life on their “Links & Resources” page and includes links to other forums where several people complain about the same issues over and over again. It’s an eye-opener for anyone considering working there. In my opinion, as someone who has worked for them: DON’T DO IT. You won’t reap the rewards for your hard work. You’ll be lucky if you break even.
 1030 days ago by Anonymous  [send email] 0 Votes
A reporter named Kathy Tomlinson, with CTV National News in Toronto, is looking for information from any Canadians who have experience with a company called Altig International / American Income Life. In particular, she is looking for people with direct experience working for this company, who are willing to be interviewed on camera about their experience(s).

I've agreed to speak with Kathy regarding my experiences as a Hiring Manager with this insurance company. It would also help her story to hear the agent's perspective. If your personal experience resembles any of the experiences posted on the threads titled “American Income Life Is A Scam” and “American Income Life is a Fraud” on www.scam.com, or the various reports on www.ripoffreport.com, then don't be afraid to come forward. You aren't doing anything wrong. In fact, you'll be helping a lot of people by holding this company accountable for their shady MLM tactics.

Kathy is nearing her deadline, so please respond to her as soon as possible. She can be reached at 416-313-2486 or at whistleblower@ctv.ca.
 869 days ago by Anne Ramos  [send email] 0 Votes
Well, I was contacted because of my resume being placed on monster.com and it also struck me as odd that the HR person said to me to "dress professional" specially since I have so much experience after 20+ years in the field do you actually feel it was necessary to tell me how to dress? also he promised me between 50 to 80k a year, thanks goodness for all the blogs and reports I found on the internet, I was saved!!! Thank you all for taking the time to write about it.
 856 days ago by Milt Lambson  [send email] 0 Votes
I just got a call from these folks and went on an immediate search. Good thing as now I will never talk to them again or show up for my appointment. It really makes me learn now to post resumes on places like Monster as anyone can get your personal information and scam you. It's pretty sad the illegitimacy of some companies and people. Who do you trust?

Thanks all for your comments and honesty.
 850 days ago by Chuck Renner  [send email] 0 Votes
Thank you so much for posting these complaints online. You have saved me unnecessary aggravation from having to deal with yet another Multi-Level Marketing scam (and I think all MLM's are scams).

I received a call on my answering machine today:

"Hi, this message is for Charles. This is Jessica with American Income Life. I received your resume through Monster, and would like to set up an interview with you for this Wednesday or Thursday, if you are available. Please give me a call back at (704) 535-9657, extension 108. Thank you."

I do have a resume on monster.com, and have been doing an active job search, and I at first didn't think anything of this. I got hope well after business hours, listened to the message, and pretty much heard "interview" and the phone number. I wrote the number down, and called it.

This is what I heard, "Thank you for calling American Income, the Logan and Associates Agency, If you know your party's extension, you may dial it at any time, or press * for our company directory. For Human Resources, please press 2. If you do not know your party's extension, but need assistance, you may dial 0 for the operator."

I then dialed 108, and got, "Please hold while I transfer your call to... Please hold for the Human Resource Department."

At that point, I hung up and said to myself, "What the hell? Who is American Income? The name sounds suspicious. Why did I get transferred to Human Resources, when I dialed a different extension? Maybe I should check the web and see what I can find out."

I then did a google search on "jessica american income life". This page was the top hit (thank God for google)!

A general rule of thumb: If you do a google search on a company, and the top hits you find are explaining how that company is a scam (instead of getting the company's actual website near the top), there is a REALLY good chance that it is. I also did a search on "Logan and Associates". The top hit is http://www.jeloganltd.com/resources/index.html, a law firm. This particular page lists some life insurance companies that are "structured settlement annuity provider[s]". I found it interesting that American Income Life wasn't on the list (but I'm not sure that holds any significance).

It took me yet another google search to find AIL's website, http://www.ailife.com/. Please note that there are only two major links on this page, one for "Agent Opportunities", and one for "Assistance Center", IN THAT ORDER.

Google also turned up this link, which was also interesting to me: http://company.monster.com/allins/. This is AIL's company page on monster.com. On it there is a link to "Search American Life Insurance Employment Opportunities":

http://jobsearch.monster.com/Search.aspx?co=xallinsx . This is perhaps the most interesting. Every single job description, regardless of location, says of the following:
* Filling Local Positions - Interviews Available This Week (notice it is plural, and no description is provided)
* Sales Opportunity - No Experience Required, Full Training Provided!
* Our Job Equals Your Success - Generous Benefits and Bonuses! (still no description)
* Insurance Sales - No Cold Calling We Provide Qualified Leads!
* Looking for Highly Motivated College Graduates!!! (no description)
* Administrative Assistant
* Sales Positions Available Now - Rapid Earning Potential!
* Public Relations / Marketing
* Help us develop our expanding field force! (no description)

To me, I've seen all I need. This definitely looks like a MLM scam to me. I'm not saying they are a scam. I'm saying they look like one to me.

Thanks for the warnings!
 836 days ago by Randy Genseal  [send email] 0 Votes
I find it sad that an organization can still stay operational within the consumer protection and labor laws of our society; that uses the age old sales strategy of penetrating as many peoples circles of influence as possible compelled by promises of financial security. I was contacted and experienced the same odd stuff mentioned herein bringing me to this forum. Unfortunately the same tactic is used by Real Estate companies and many other insurance and varied sales businesses but not to this greedy benchmark. Our economy requires a certain manipulation of people and programs behind the scene to work but responsible use of this activity is fundamental to the ongoing stability of the process it affects.

Blow this off unless you have no conscious!
 822 days ago by Marcos Enriques  [send email] 0 Votes
Just today, I went to the Interview Session for a position at AIL. I am not sure if I want to say that this organization is a swindle, but I am choosing to not work for them if they do actually call me back.

I went into the meeting feeling positive about a potentially great opportunity. The meeting was informative and entertaining (in a funny way). I was watching everyone except the person who was coordinating the meeting. He was nice looking, had a designer suit on and was a sweet talker. Many of the people who were there were professional, and realized that the wasted their time – as I could see the look in their eyes. I saw the glimmer of hope in the pathetic recent “grad” or the uneducated high school graduate. I wanted to walk out, but figured I had nothing to lose, since I am not working anyway. It was when my exit interviewer / “Manager” appeared to me as someone who resembled a pimp (for lack of a better phrase). Not only was this person dressed for his undoubtedly great profession, but also another interviewer / “Manager” looked like the thug that mugged me ten years ago - when I lived in Los Angeles. My last impression and final decision to blow the pop stand was that “Managers” were allowed to have piercings and tattoos that were obvious and distasteful, not to mention attire that was entirely inappropriate to wear in a professional office.

For people’s general information, this region does not require you to pay for your licensing or ask you for any out of pocket expenses. Additionally, they assure people that they would not be traveling more than 45 minutes from home. It seems that it could be a potentially great job for a person with little or no education. They could possibly gain valuable experience and retain licensure. However, I will pass on this opportunity. I have had far too much difficulty in life to walk into something that has “buyers beware” written all over it.

Overall, be careful. If it seems too good to be true, then it IS (very likely) too good to be true.
 800 days ago by Joe  [send email] 0 Votes
This thread saved me from actually committing to a second interview. At the first interview, it was clear that something was amiss, but I could not quite place my finger on it. AIL is not worth your time. Thanks for the post :)
 797 days ago by Rachel Turnbanks  [send email] +2 Votes
My husband recently started work with American Income Life. First off, they are listed on AMBest.com and have a superior rating of A+. AMBest only lists legitimate insurance companies that can be trusted.

The only thing my husband has had to "pay" for in this job was for his insurance license.

I think we could all find negative points to every company - and especially when the company has so many different locations with a huge diversity in people working for them.

I sorta feel that some of these complaints really depend on the location of the insurance office. You could have all scumbags working in one, and a group of wonderful people working in the other.

Another thing, is it so bad to work hard for your money? Nowdays everyone wants to just sit on their rares to earn anything.

Now I do know, that in the beginning there is a "90 day boot camp" so to speak. This could be what everyone is talking about, and actually why a lot of people terminate their "contracts". The representative was straight up with my husband and told him "you will be working all the time during this time period"..there was no misleading. You will work your butt off, but you will be paid appropriately for what you're paid.

For those of you who just went to one interview or none and decided not to work for them then get on here and discredit the company - please do IN DEPTH research and not a couple clicks on google before ruining a company's reputation.

Like someone else said, you can either work really hard and retire young, or just work until you're on your death bed..you pick.
 794 days ago by Rga  [send email] 0 Votes
I'm not agreeing that this isn't a scam, I just got an e-mail from someone...immediately to my spam folder, and decided to check them out. The only problem I see with companies like this, other than online job search sites allowing them to post, is giving people false sense of hope. I got involved with an MLM company...it's not the greatest, and the rewards are definitely not worth the effort I've put in to it, even if I went to the meetings every week, I wouldn't be doing any better with it. Companies like this just give people a false sense of hope. That's the one thing I dont like about it, that part is unethical.
 794 days ago by Christiane Corbin  [send email] 0 Votes
Thanks for posting all the comments. When I received the call today (I'm in Riverside, California) it just sounded fishy on the phone...so fishy that I almost blew it off on the phone. Then I was asked a few questions and I thought "okay maybe"...I'm glad I did research on the internet and also checked Monster.com for their "openings"...needless to say I won't be wasting my time!
 787 days ago by Michelle Varhol  [send email] 0 Votes
I was contacted by AIL this past summer. I went in for the "interview" and knew right away that something was amiss. The people in the office were very young and unprofessional looking, to say the least. The lady who interviewed me peeked out at me from the hallway to watch me fill out an address form. She not once mentioned the job title, or how she got a hold of my resume. The interview lasted about 5 minutes and then she told me that I passed the interview and could resume the process in the next room. I walked in a conference room to find about 10 other people sitting and waiting for some sort of presentation. The Sales Manager who walked in smelled, very strongly, of smoke, and drank out of a bottle of Mt. Dew the entire time. I should also mention that this Sales Manager very boldly checked me out as I walked into the building. If my insticts did not kick in when I walked into the office they sure kicked in when the Sales Manager told us that he had only worked for the comany 3 years and had already been promoted 6 times! and that we can make up-to $50,000 a week. I knew right then that it was a joke. He then let us watch a laughable video where one gentleman in particular stated that he made only $0.50 a day in his home country and then he came to work for AIL and now makes $30,000 a month! I walked out after the video with a gentleman sitting next to me.

AIL is still sending me emails to work for them. I told them that I looked into their company and have no intentions to work for a company like them.

If it does not feel right to begin with, don't pursue it.
 786 days ago by Im  [send email] 0 Votes
Is AIL a scam? I don't agree with classifying this company as that, but I would never advocate their business model to anyone. Not even people that I wished ill-will towards.

Less than two months after finishing undergrad, I was contacted by AIL. Being naive and desperate for a job I agreed to interview with them. I remember filling out a questionnaire of various personal questions, but nothing intrusive though. However, I thought it was odd that they would want to know who "I looked up to the most" as I didn't feel that this would be helpful in the hiring process. Anyway, I then met with a very friendly girl (I emphasis GIRL, because she couldn't have been a year older than me). After a 5 minute talk I "passed" and was invited back to the 2nd interview.

I went to the 2nd interview (group interview) which had about 20 people. Each potential hiree introduced themselves and described their background. I was the only person there with a business-related background and only one other person had a sales background. That seemed a little strange to me...

The 2nd interview proceeded as was explained above. An informal individual attempted to give a formal presentation on how you'll be making $50k-$100k in your first year, just as long as you "play the averages". I believe they told us that 1/3 "appointments" results in a sale. Of course, this is a company-wide statistic which they track using information provided by agents themselves. So I don't believe that number at all.

Anyway, after the 2nd "interview" I somehow was invited back for a 3rd interview (even though I had only talked to one girl for 10 minutes).

(This is where things went from bad to worse and my stupidity shone its brightest!)

The 3rd interview was about 5 minutes. I met with the same girl as before, but now a manager was present. After the 5 mins, they had me leave to talk things over between each other. Then I came back in to talk to only the girl. She told me that the manager didn't believe I had what it would take to succeed but she knew I could do it and wanted to offer me a position (good cop/bad cop.... nice trick!). Elated.... I accepted the offer. Then, within 10 seconds of accepting, the girl proceeded to explain to me that I had to get to work! I had to sign-up for the licensing course and study and pass it within 3 weeks time. (For the jurisdiction that I was in, this suggested study time for this course was 6 months.) Needless to say, I studied my ass off and went to write the exam, of course I had to pay the $350 registration fee first.

At the exam there were 2 other "candidates". Both in their 50's. WE wrote the exam. I passed, each of them failed and were basically kicked out. So here I was, one of about 20 people who had made it through the licensing program. I should have been so proud.... but I was the biggest sucker of them all.

Now it was time to start "boot camp". Before I began this part of the process, I e-mailed the girl who hired me to thank her for her support and I was looking forward to working with her. Then I got an e-mail back from her explaining how she had decided to leave AIL for another position at a large utility company. In the e-mail she apologized to me (on more than one occasion). I didn't know why she was saying "sorry", but now I know why....

I started boot camp and was told I had to learn a script. This was the equivalent of a 30 minute presentation. Of course, I had to memorize it because nobody is going buy anything from you if you read it off of a sheet. I was told that this script was developed over 80 or so years of experience and they had used psychologists to ensure that we would evoke the appropriate emotional response from an audience (that definitely concerned me). So whatever, I learned the script in the 4 days they give you, got through boot camp and started my field training.

Field training was where I started to stop eating and began sleeping less and less.

The first part of field training was to set-up interviews for experienced agents with prospective clients. So I had to call them up and read my phone script and try to book and interview time. For the most part, it was pretty straightforward. However, in one call I made I was cussed out someone saying that I was trying to scam them and then in another instance the police were called because they too also believed I was trying to scam their retired father out of his CAW pension! I definitely started to feel like a total chicken-hawk. Remember, this all happened BEFORE I had even been to a home to meet a potential client.

So now we're going out to meet a client. All I was expected to do was sit there and observe the experienced agent. The one house we went to, the husband of a RN threatened to "sick his dogs on us" if we didn't leave, while another person stopped us halfway through the presentation and told us to get out before he called the police. Of course, the experienced agent played this all off as being "rare" and not representative of his job. (I guess I was just unlucky?!?!)

Now let me remind you, at this point I have been with the company about 1.5 months, paid for my licensing, the gasoline to drive to the office and then to clients homes (clients which could not be mine since I wasn't an "AIL Agent"), and my time (6 days a week, 3pm-11pm M-F, 8am-3pm Sat.) and I hadn't seen a dime!

So what kept me going with the company? I was in too deep and didn't want to accept failure, so I just kept pushing.

Finally I received my agent number and could officially sell. Of course, they wouldn't send me out on my own since I had never done this before, so on a saturday I was supposed to go out with my manager for some appointments. I was waiting for him at 7am at the office and the guy never showed up. I called him half a dozen times but he never picked up. So (nervous as hell) I left for my appointments. As I'm on my way tot he first one, he calls me up and explains to me that he was out late last night drinking. At this point I should have just quit, but I'd seen enough crap so far that a comment like that didn't phase me. So I went out, and actually sold some policies on my first day. That made me happy! Until I returned to the office that afternoon......

When I got back I saw one of the other new agents (a girl named Tanya) and she was in tears. I asked her what was wrong and she told me that she was quitting because she felt like a total scum bag. Personally, I felt pretty seedy working for this company, but just thought I was too sensitive because everybody else seemed so content (and remember, the manager said I "didn't have what it would take"... another great trick!). I guess it was talking to her that made me realize that I was a moron and completely justified in my insecurities while working there.

Two weeks later I quit.

It's been three years since I began the interviewing process at AIL. In that time I returned to school to earn a master's degree in Economics and I'm now an economist. I'm making more money than AIL promised me in my first year and I love my job. I guess my point is that if it sounds to good to be true it usually is. And in the case of AIL, it was!

I realize this is a very lengthy posting, but I feel that I need to explain my individual story to anyone who is considering a position with this company. Maybe my situation was isolated, but I've only explained to you the tip of the iceberg in my experiences there.
 785 days ago by Before I Started I Quit Lol  [send email] -1 Votes
I got a call recently too. Scam. Avoid like the plague. To the guy above rubbing it in that you'll retire from here at 40. If that is true, I think you are a thieving pile of shit. I hope you burn in hell you rotten son of a bitch.
 783 days ago by Michael Winn  [send email] 0 Votes
Thank you all who posted on this site to share with us your experience. It was a no-brainer for me after reading your reports that I had no business dealing with this company and no need to respond to their solicitation - other than to simply copy and paste this web address as a reply to their email to me. Certainly AIL is the road that SHOULD BE less traveled. - Mike W @ Virginia
 782 days ago by M Martin  [send email] 0 Votes
lmao.....I'm stiil stuck on the AIL employee who defended AIL and is bragging about how he now makes $500 bucks a week after TEN years of working for them. Devide that by 60 hrs a week and you get $8.30 an hr....not counting the money the poor chump spends on gas.
 781 days ago by R Clement  [send email] -1 Votes
And it never ends with this company. Much like a Holocaust apologist claiming that the Holocaust never happened, AIL proponents make fools of themselves defending the company on boards across the internet despite overwhelming evidence chock full of testimonials and statistics proving they are illegitimate. The big whigs at AIL like to think those speaking out against this company are an isolated bunch of marginalized psychos, but the truth is there are many, many out there who are coming forward with the truth. To anyone unfamiliar with AIL, simply look at the content of those who defend this company and it is clear they are victims. You can discern an Altig fan by their poor grammar and logic skills, combined with their unintelligent drivel.
 780 days ago by Greg  [send email] 0 Votes
I too received a call and I have an interview tomorrow morning. They never once explained what the position was about, so that made me nervous to start. Everytime I call them back I get voicemail. I'm not a marketing or sales person, so why would they contact me? I'm going to call tomorrow and cancel, I don't know if it's a scam persay, but it definately sounds like something I'm NOT interested in.

Thank you so much to everyone who posted here, I'm oncall this week and I know I'm not going to get a lot of sleep tonight. This saves me from being deprived even more sleep tomorrow!

Thanks everyone.

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