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Five Tip-Offs to Mechanic Rip-Offs

Five Tip-Offs to Mechanic Rip-OffsGetting the right repairs at a fair price depends partly on communicating with your mechanic.Do your homework and be wary of what the mechanic may say. Sometimes a little embellishment can have you digging deep into your pockets.

Unless you're a car mechanic yourself, dealing with a repair shop may require a leap of faith. But if you pay attention to what your mechanic says (and does), you'll find clues that could tell you whether you're being bamboozled. Here are some things mechanics may say when they're planning to take you for a ride—and we don't mean in your car.

  1. "Get that engine flushed right away or it's toast."
    Beware if your mechanic's idea of "scheduled maintenance" bears little resemblance to the recommendations in your owner's manual. Some shops "build the ticket" (translation: pad the bill) by recommending extra and often unnecessary procedures, such as engine and transmission flushes, or by scheduling some tasks prematurely. Some hawk high-priced "generic" maintenance schedules that may omit procedures your car needs.

Be especially concerned if the shop makes every recommendation sound like an emergency, says Larry Hecker, president of the Motorist Assurance Program (www.motorist.org), a nonprofit group that accredits repair shops.

  1. "That rebuilt Camry alternator will run you $899."
    If you happen to know that your cousin paid only $399 for similar work, you'd better call around to check. Although good shops may charge higher prices to cover the cost of top-flight technicians and equipment, bills that are always 20 to 30 percent more than the going rate should put you on guard, warns John Nielsen, director of AAA's Automotive Repair Network. You can poll other shops to find out how much mechanics in your area are charging for common repairs and maintenance. For complex problems, try comparing the price of the parts alone by calling parts stores or dealer parts departments, advises Deanna Sclar, an auto repair expert and author of Auto Repair for Dummies.
  2. "We thought the new fuel injectors would fix it, but it looks like you need a new fuel pump."
    Uh-oh. You may be dealing with a so-called parts replacer, that is, a mechanic who's literally rebuilding your car because he can't diagnose the problem, says Chuck Roberts, executive director for industry relations at the National Institute for Automotive Service Excellence, an organization that certifies auto technicians. Make the mechanic justify the initial repair. Even if it was an honest misdiagnosis, the shop should refund the amount of the first repair or discount the next one. If the mechanic gets the diagnosis wrong again, stop replacing parts and replace the shop.
  3. "With some cars, it's not unusual to go through a starter every year."
    Yeah, right. This may be a tip-off that the shop did the work incorrectly or used poor-quality or makeshift parts instead of proper ones. Call some other shops to find out what they think or check the Web to see if there's a discussion group devoted to your model and its problems. You might also want to take the car to another repair shop for a second opinion. If the original job was lacking, ask the shop that did the work to repeat the repair either without charge or at a substantial discount.
  4. "You have to bring your car back to the dealership for service."
    Sure, the dealer wants all the lucrative repair and maintenance jobs. But generally, you need to use a dealer only for work covered under the warranty, recalls, post-warranty fixes you're hoping the manufacturer will pay for under its "good will" program, or high-tech systems that require a dealership's specialists.

How to talk to your mechanic

Getting the right repairs at a fair price depends partly on communicating with your mechanic. Here's what to say and to expect:

  • Describe the problem fully. Provide as much information as possible. Write down the symptoms and when they occur. If possible, talk directly to the mechanic who will be working on your car.
  • Don't offer a diagnosis. Avoid saying what you think is causing the problem. You may be on the hook for any repairs the shop makes at your suggestion, even if they don't solve the problem.
  • Request a test drive. If the problem occurs only when the car is moving, ask the mechanic to accompany you on a test drive.
  • Ask for evidence. If you're not comfortable with the diagnosis, ask the shop to show you. Worn brake pads or rusted exhaust pipes are easy to see. Don't let the mechanic refuse your request by saying that his insurance company doesn't allow customers into the work area. Insist on evidence anyway.
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 994 days ago by Aaron  [send email]
I'm a mechanic. If someone says that you aren't allowed in the shop because of insurance regulations, it's generally because you aren't allowed in the shop because of insurance regulations. If you're out gawking at the underside of your vehicle and the mechanical safety latch fails on the hoist and the car happens to fall on you, and injure/kill you - you are at fault. If I drop something and it lands on your foot? You are at fault.

In addition - if I quote you a job at $650, and you tell me XYZ Garage will do it for $450, you know what I'm going to tell you? Take it over there!
 978 days ago by Peter  [send email]
"if I quote you a job at $650, and you tell me XYZ Garage will do it for $450, you know what I'm going to tell you? Take it over there!"

I work in an industry where people do this too. Obviously there is some reason you don't want to use the other shop otherwise you wouldn't be asking me to match their price. If you were comfortable using the other shop and paying their price you would have just gone there. What you are really asking me to do is match the price of someone you wouldn't trust your car to. Why should I? If my prices are completely out of line, I'll be driven out of business.
 780 days ago by Yanet Cueto  [send email]
Hi there,

How can I complain about Tom's Automotive in Sylmar CA? They worked on my car and I know the owner personally. My car is worst off than what it was when I dropped it off and they will not return my calls. I know for a fact that they drink at the shop...and other things...only because I know the owner. I am concerned about the safety of my car...I do not want to have the owner come to my home or work place because I fear that there will be retaliation because I am telling on the way they run Tom's Automotive...I know him and his family personally, but the shop is not on top of things...they are doing a lousy job. Please help me....
 623 days ago by Keith Gordon  [send email]
"if I quote you a job at $650, and you tell me XYZ Garage will do it for $450, you know what I'm going to tell you? Take it over there!"

I work in an industry where people do this too. Obviously there is some reason you don't want to use the other shop otherwise you wouldn't be asking me to match their price. If you were comfortable using the other shop and paying their price you would have just gone there. What you are really asking me to do is match the price of someone you wouldn't trust your car to. Why should I? If my prices are completely out of line, I'll be driven out of business.

This is probably because they are taking their car around a few different place to check the prices. If you tell them to take their car there, then they probably will, and you will lose business and the cheaper place will gain business. DUH
 556 days ago by mariana  [send email]
hi ...

i have intrepid ...transmition gone....went to mechanic ...he said he will order used one...after 10 days said is done..i have paid him...after 2 days again same problem...took car back and it is second week and mechanic still did not solve the problem....he said he has been ordered another transmition...did not arrived...then it came wrong one....then he order another...and all those come from usa..
i dont know what to do and where to go ...it is one month without the car and it is not wright....
please if you know tell me what to do...

thank you in advance,
mariana
 527 days ago by bill in the burgh  [send email]
1st '" Some shops "build the ticket" (translation: pad the bill) by recommending extra and often unnecessary procedures, such as engine and transmission flushes,"" run a Honda or Chrysler minivan on the mfg trans flush schedule and you'll be replacing the transmission period!

2nd ""For complex problems, try comparing the price of the parts alone by calling parts stores or dealer parts departments"" the parts department of dealerships :sell: the parts to their own service dept who them mark up the part to help cover cost,, most people don't know that,,, 95% of the shops phone quote WILL BE INACCURATE by at least 30% too many variables. Q:how much does McDonalds pay for the 1/4 lb patty,, lettuce,, cheese,, pickle,,bun??

btw don't forget ,, advertising, rent, employee cost, workman's comp, franchise fees, !!!!!LITIGATION PROTECTION!!!!! and other insurance cost.

3rd """With some cars, it's not unusual to go through a starter every year."": you get what you pay for, if you want an inexpensive repair because the other guy quoted 20%less so as not to loose the business as mariana stated something needs to be sacrificed, since the shop will not bring in a tech at a lower rate just to fix HER car or should the tech working on HER car take a pay cut,, wholesale value of the part must be compromised. It is her whom will dictate the quality of her parts by voting with her wallet.

"quality things are seldom inexpensive,, and inexpensive things are seldom quality"


4th ""Ask for evidence. If you're not comfortable with the diagnosis, ask the shop to show you. Worn brake pads or rusted exhaust pipes are easy to see. Don't let the mechanic refuse your request by saying that his insurance company doesn't allow customers into the work area. Insist on evidence anyway. ""

I agree with this one FULLY besides folks love to see the broken stuff and any service writer should WANT them to see them. as long as they are escorted and put on safety gear no insurance co would balk.

This is an extremely tight margin business ! especially if your using above average quality parts and skill. this is one industry where MOST of the time $$$=Quality.. The number of $$ shoppers hampers the ability of a good shop to stay competitive. they co$t the shop BIG $$$$$ and are usually the ones that once they find a "good" deal if anything even minor ie. slight brake noise, failure of part due to mfg defect. These folks make the loudest noise farther costing that shop additional future revenue. The guy with the new squeaky brakes NEVER tell their neighbors that they bought the cheapest brake job they could find. Hence the noise $$$=Quality.

I owned and operated a successful under car repair shop in Pittsburgh PA where there had been, 15yrs back one of my competitors 20 shop/ over 35 employees were hulled away in handcuffs. This is an unfortunate thing. My techs and I feel for those that are taken advantage of. We wish we had a larger shop to handle those folks and give them excellent service.


Lastly ask your neighbors whom do they use, and then WHY, and then listen with both ears,,, LOL:)
 485 days ago by Bill TG  [send email]
I have been an auto tech for 40 years. ASE certified and Cal bar cert. test, inspect and repair tech. You all grease monkeys with your fat insurance and your expensive tech stories and bogus costs yall suck! And further more stating that a phone quote is inacurate. You need to stop confusing your costomers you clowns and try to earn a honest living! I am tired of your crap. Don't you all look for bargains when u need a hair cut, an airline ticket, an economic vacation destination, a cheaper gas price? Stop your whining, help your customers, especially the ones that need transportation to go earn $ 7.50 an hour and charge them what your job is worth for. They want cheap brake pads that make noise? Install them and tell them that will make noise but the car will stop. charge them 40 bux for your lousy brake job and not 200. Enough already you crooks.
 481 days ago by Jeff  [send email]
I would advise that anyone reading this article disregard much of it's contents. The best and only way to be sure that you'r getting quality service is to see what kind of reputation your shop has. Word of mouth will either make or break a shops rep, so it's safe to assume that a good shop will stive to provide the best service in order to stay alive.

I'm an ASE certified tech, specfically as a diagnostician. I can tell you that there are poorly trained (or lazy) techs out there who DO throw parts at undiagnosed problems, only to find that they still haven't fixed the issue. Again, at a reputable shop, there should be an ASE certified diagnostician, who is providing what most in the automotive industry would consider to be the most important service. It's the customers responsibility to ensure that their shop has someone who can effectively diagnose issues.

As for dealerships.... DON"T BOTHER! Unless it's warrantly work, (and dealerhips often neglect this type of work, considering that they aren't making money on it) you'll save a lot of cash going to an independent shop. They can provide the same service and get the same OEM parts as the dealership can, often through a dealership itself.

Labor rate is generally the same for all shops in the same area, depending on where you live. We charge $85 an hour, and considering the technological advancements made to cars since the days of carburaters, this is a fair price to pay. Diagnostics and repairs are far more difficult today with electronically controlled.....EVERYTHING.

A good shop will return an incorrect part to the parts store in the event that it didn't fix the problem. However, many parts stores will not take back some of the more expensive electronic parts. It's not the shops fault that they cannot refund that part, although a good shop will simply keep the part for themselves and not charge the customer. As for "flushes" that are being labeled as useless procedures... you should know that they are an integral part of preventitive maintenence. This is done to ensure that you don't have to replace a radiator, power steering pump, or even an engine down the road. It's worth the extra couple of bucks now, rather than a pile of money to replace expensive parts later.

There are very stirct regulations concerning customers being in the shop, beyond insurnace reasons. Customers are generally NOT allowed in the shop, however I find that if I gain a come-back customer with whom I have a good relationship, I will let them take a look around, even while I'm working on their vehicle. We do sometimes break the rules for customers who are understanding an appreciative of the work we do, despite the fines that may be issued after a suprise visit from from an inspector.

Bottom line..... technology in todays cars is advancing every day, sometimes making it difficult to get perfect results every time. Good techs attend training programs often to keep up to date on this new technology. It is the CUSTOMERS responsibility to ensure that this is the type of tech they have working on their vehicle, and that they are not just dropping off their car with a poor description ("it's making a funny noise!!??") of it's symptoms. And again... a GOOD tech will offer to take a test drive with the customer if they think it's necessary. If the customer needs to ask the tech to do so, then they should probably ask for the keys back and take it to another shop.

Please don't let paranoid online articles scare your stupid about having a car serviced. Many of us got into this industry because we ENJOY the work we do, and take pride in it. We sometimes fail, and should take responsibility (I DO). But there's nothing more satisfying than handing the keys back to the customer and letting them know that their car is in tip top shape.
 385 days ago by a. said  [send email]
I went for oil change at the 76th gas station west gate mall in san jose, ca.
I asked him how much is oil change?He told me very expensive and woudn't talk to me.
Is there any where to complain.
thanks
aas
 358 days ago by Cliff Buckley  [send email]
85DOLLARS PER HOUR WHAT A RIP OFF.DO YOU REALLY THINK YOUR WORTH THAT KIND OF MONEY? what CROOKS

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